Evidence God Exists

[Darwinian]

Thor I'm not 100% sure of this but I believe that infant mortality rates for nonbelievers is higher than believers.Here is my reasoning believers have a greater respect for life than nonbelievers,( don't get excited yet ) nonbelievers have more drug problems,alcohol problems,smoking problems and so on. Now I have no stats to back this up.It's from observation and my wife being a nurse that I make this statement.I also believe this to be true because believers are repeatedly being taught the evils of such things.I also lived a life of drug,alcohol and smoking abuse and I've personally seen what women in the same life style do to their unborn children.

Now I'm not saying all nonbelievers live this way nor am I saying all believers treat their unborn with the care they should.Nor am I saying that all nonbelievers have less respect for life than believers only a fool would make such a statement.

I think you might just be, at best, pious and at worst, quite insane.

[downbeatplumb]

Thor I'm not 100% sure of this but I believe that infant mortality rates for nonbelievers is higher than believers.Here is my reasoning believers have a greater respect for life than nonbelievers,( don't get excited yet ) nonbelievers have more drug problems,alcohol problems,smoking problems and so on. Now I have no stats to back this up.It's from observation and my wife being a nurse that I make this statement.I also believe this to be true because believers are repeatedly being taught the evils of such things.I also lived a life of drug,alcohol and smoking abuse and I've personally seen what women in the same life style do to their unborn children.

Now I'm not saying all nonbelievers live this way nor am I saying all believers treat their unborn with the care they should.Nor am I saying that all nonbelievers have less respect for life than believers only a fool would make such a statement.

I think you might just be, at best, pious and and worst, quite insane.

I wonder what he'd make of the prisons being filled with theists.

http://www.holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm

puts a bit of a dent his arguments about Atheists being the wrong'uns don't ya think.

[Ace Otana]

Thor I'm not 100% sure of this but I believe that infant mortality rates for nonbelievers is higher than believers.Here is my reasoning believers have a greater respect for life than nonbelievers,( don't get excited yet ) nonbelievers have more drug problems,alcohol problems,smoking problems and so on. Now I have no stats to back this up.It's from observation and my wife being a nurse that I make this statement.I also believe this to be true because believers are repeatedly being taught the evils of such things.I also lived a life of drug,alcohol and smoking abuse and I've personally seen what women in the same life style do to their unborn children.

Now I'm not saying all nonbelievers live this way nor am I saying all believers treat their unborn with the care they should.Nor am I saying that all nonbelievers have less respect for life than believers only a fool would make such a statement.

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Thor I should have read through all the replies before posting a reply. God may extend the lives of some people no matter what they believe.However I do not believe that God would play a game of favoritism, that would fly in the face of freewill.God loves all equally I know this because He sent His son to die for all and there are no preconditions set upon believeing the underlined.The rewards for living a faithful life in Christ in the here and now comes in our eternal life.

I'm gonna try and say this as nice as I can....you are completely insane! You have locked yourself in your own little bubble where you can delude yourself to the point of INSANITY!
Oh and did you know most criminals in prison are theists? Also did you know the most religious nations in the world are the most violent? If you really think believing in fairytales makes you some kind of better person or better off, then please...prove it.

[RedFish]

Now you guys are properly warmed up, how about taking on my theory? We are unique in that we can communicate ideas. A conclusion arrived at through observation and experience. I don't believe we have always had this capacity. But I can't think of any real use for it in terms of mere 'survival of the fittest'. Could this be evidence of something 'other'? Or have we now become so successful that we have spare brain capacity to fill with God, art, philosophy etc...?

[tackattack]

Well first off I don't think he's insane, many people find religion in prison, and those numbers don'ttake any of that into account. I can't see the average person at my Church committing a heinous crime outside of sexual perversion. I would wager if a proper study was done, that surveying one crime.. killers... the ratio of theism prior to the commiting of the crime and after it was vastly askew. Being "God fearing" probably does more for the parole board than a rational mind.

@RedFish... I'll take a shot at it. As humans lost their spee and natural defences through evolution. tools were required. Structure for a society and community was formed as were heirerarchies. Tools of varying qualities distinguished value among the society. The highest in society fought for the best tools. Best became subjective as standards improved. The it was which tool had the most feathers and did the job of dicing the fish. Tool adornment was logically a first art form, that coupled with visual language development, art is a natural progression. No research just off the top.

[Violet]

Communication of ideas is what I said. That's quite different. i.e. You can teach a man/woman to fish without him/her ever seeing water. I quite agree that simple communication is common throughout the animal kingdom. But simple communication isn't what I meant. We are able to share our thoughts, not just our 'feelings'. And not just in written form.
I don't understand nihilistic existentialism myself. Feel free to sum up for a simpleton..

Prairie dogs communicate ideas. Using language no less. Example link: http://www.petroglyphsnm.org/wildsides/pdlanguage.html

As for nihilistic existentialism... do you understand subjectivity? If so you're pretty much already there, just follow the logic through to its conclusions.

[Godscreated]

Min your replies are childish go play somewhere you'll be taken seriously,a sandbox would be a good start.

ZenBadger you need to do research Jesus is mentioned in nonbibical historic writings.

It seems most of you did not pay attention to what I wrote or you did not care to respond to what was written. First of all I qualified my reply as an IMO and stated that this reply was from expereincial observation.As I stated in my last reply I've lived a life that was surrounded by non believers and I've seen how they treated their bodies and then conceive a child.Those same people would continue to abuse their bodies during the pregnacy and after the birth.They just did not care.
My wife works in a county detention center/prison and has had to restain nonbelieveing women from aborting their unborn child.The things she has told me about nonbelievers and the ways they treat their children is nothing short of horrifying.I asked her if she thought most inmates were believers when they first arrived to her facility her answer was no.She did say that more believers left prison than entered prison (meaning they became believers in prison.

leo.rcc do you believe what my wife and I have lived through is not credible eyewittness evidence.As I stated in my first reply in this forum I'm not trying to convert anyone so we have no reason to lie.What we've experienced is not different in other places in this world human nature is the same every where.

I went to the website about religious persons in prison.The only question asked was what religion are you.This is very limited research.Why were those people not asked when they found their religion,was it before or after you became an inmate.You also limited your findings to federal prisons.Why did you leave out the state prisons and the county and city jails.There are far more in local institutions than federal.

In the way you presented this information I should be able to take the no answers as people who are nonbelievers that's 20% then the religions I consider to be something other than belief in the one true God and thats another 20% combine this with those who became believers after entering prison and IMO the scales tip the other way.

[Minimalist]

Min your replies are childish go play somewhere you'll be taken seriously,a sandbox would be a good start.

Son when you stop being an asshole you will be treated as something other than an asshole. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Your comment was flat out ridiculous.

You think like a child.

[LEDO]

Thor I should have read through all the replies before posting a reply. God may extend the lives of some people no matter what they believe.However I do not believe that God would play a game of favoritism, that would fly in the face of freewill.God loves all equally I know this because He sent His son to die for all and there are no preconditions set upon believeing the underlined.The rewards for living a faithful life in Christ in the here and now comes in our eternal life.

He might have died for your sins, I like to think he suffered a lot for mine first. After all, if Jesus is willing to die for it, why should I deny myself? I wouldn't want his death to be meaningless.

[Darwinian]

It seems most of you did not pay attention to what I wrote or you did not care to respond to what was written. First of all I qualified my reply as an IMO and stated that this reply was from expereincial observation.As I stated in my last reply I've lived a life that was surrounded by non believers and I've seen how they treated their bodies and then conceive a child.Those same people would continue to abuse their bodies during the pregnacy and after the birth.They just did not care.
My wife works in a county detention center/prison and has had to restain nonbelieveing women from aborting their unborn child.The things she has told me about nonbelievers and the ways they treat their children is nothing short of horrifying.I asked her if she thought most inmates were believers when they first arrived to her facility her answer was no.She did say that more believers left prison than entered prison (meaning they became believers in prison.

You and your wife seem to be thinking of atheists, or non believers as you call them, as strange alien creatures that you have trouble fathoming.

It's almost like the attitude that 18th and 19th century rich white people had towards their black African slaves in that they were savage, disrespectful, exhibited horrific behaviour and basically weren't like 'us' at all.

Is that what you think about atheists because that's certainly the impression you are giving!