Evidence God Exists

[AtheistPhil]

To clarify, I didn't mean everyone on this forum. You are obviously older, and I can tell from your arguments. But the great majority of people here, on this thread at least, are youngish people who have not been atheists very long, and find comfort in the idea of no longer having to adhere to the standards of believing in a deity, mainly as a rebellion to oppressive church lives as youngsters. Ironically, this is the worst reason to be an atheist.

You are apparently more set in your belief, but these kids do not hold their views from a place of true contemplation. They do not clearly understand what they're into, and you can tell from their juvenile arguments, where they invent sci-fi-style scenarios and mimic popular atheist catch phrases.

Take a look at the age statistics:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-148.html

[AngelThMan]

All aboard the failboat.

No so fast, my young friend.

[tavarish]

All aboard the failboat.

No so fast, my young friend.

For a near 40 page thread with the title "Evidence God Exists", this sure was a let down.

[Welsh cake]

This is not circular reasoning at all. When the bible claims that man is made in the image of God, and that man is superior to animals, it is not said in the same context as I'm using it here. In other words, no one was saying "the fact that we are the only species with sapient intelligent is evidence there's a God." I'm the one making this claim. What we see around us corroborates what was written in the bible, in passages written with entirely different purposes.

That was their world-view, their perspective or subjective take on reality, like the world being flat, the idea we're superior to all other life is as dead as a doornail.

You're corrupted your capacity for intellectual study with such rod and that is a sad thing for a sapient creature to do. It makes you ignorant of the varying levels of intelligence that is empirically abundant out there. I mean take a look at these big fellas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCAUleX5h8A

Every time I see them I get Goosebumps, I realised they're studying us, they are alive like you and me, watching us and interacting with us, if that’s not sapience, a living being that is self-aware then I quite simply don't know what is.

[AngelThMan]

I don't see how any of that detracts from their right to be heard and taken seriously, whatever their age. If they can put a logical argument fair enough., the ''juvenile arguments, where they invent sci-fi-style scenarios and mimic popular atheist catch phrases.'' should keep you on your toes, and prevent all of us from taking ourselves too seriously.

Young people don't always exhibit the best judgment, and the subject at hand is a pretty serious subject.

'True contemplation'? What is that?
' Do not fully understand what they're into'?...Is this some sort of drug, this non-acceptance of God? If they are young, let them fly free. You were the same once, I hope.

Of course there are those who grew up in atheist homes, and I recognize some of them frequent this forum. But if a young person grew up in a Christian home, and has decided to adopt atheist views, a life-altering decision, they should at least fully understand the concept, and not just follow older, more popular figures that validate their emancipation from religion.

[tavarish]

I don't see how any of that detracts from their right to be heard and taken seriously, whatever their age. If they can put a logical argument fair enough., the ''juvenile arguments, where they invent sci-fi-style scenarios and mimic popular atheist catch phrases.'' should keep you on your toes, and prevent all of us from taking ourselves too seriously.

Young people don't always exhibit the best judgment, and the subject at hand is a pretty serious subject.

'True contemplation'? What is that?
' Do not fully understand what they're into'?...Is this some sort of drug, this non-acceptance of God? If they are young, let them fly free. You were the same once, I hope.

Of course there are those who grew up in atheist homes, and I recognize some of them frequent this forum. But if a young person grew up in a Christian home, and has decided to adopt atheist views, a life-altering decision, they should at least fully understand the concept, and not just follow older, more popular figures that validate their emancipation from religion.

This self-righteous BS is wearing thin. Seriously.

No one here knows all the answers, but for you to spout that somehow one's points are invalidated by AGE is so ridiculously delusional I don't know whether to laugh at you or treat you nicely. Good job on the speech about kids wanting to fight the power. I'm sure it works fine for the rambunctious youths that don't yet fear Hell, but not so well for those that realize an argument isn't just a bunch of baseless claims and assumptions mashed together.

You said you had evidence that God exists, said "look at how smart we are", and got your ass handed to you. Now, as a last ditch attempt, you're trying to make the views of the ones who intellectually owned your toothpick of an argument seem less credible, but it's just digging you deeper and deeper into the shit pile you're in.

/Adhominem.

[Godscreated]

This is not circular reasoning at all. When the bible claims that man is made in the image of God, and that man is superior to animals, it is not said in the same context as I'm using it here. In other words, no one was saying "the fact that we are the only species with sapient intelligent is evidence there's a God." I'm the one making this claim. What we see around us corroborates what was written in the bible, in passages written with entirely different purposes.

That was their world-view, their perspective or subjective take on reality, like the world being flat, the idea we're superior to all other life is as dead as a doornail.

You're corrupted your capacity for intellectual study with such rod and that is a sad thing for a sapient creature to do. It makes you ignorant of the varying levels of intelligence that is empirically abundant out there. I mean take a look at these big fellas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCAUleX5h8A

Every time I see them I get Goosebumps, I realised they're studying us, they are alive like you and me, watching us and interacting with us, if that’s not sapience, a living being that is self-aware then I quite simply don't know what is.

Welsh cake that is very entertaining and they do show a degree of intelligence but to put them on the same level as humans is hardly a sapient decision. Take a look at your thought process,on the African plains a lion hunts its prey this makes the lion self aware because it knows if it does not eat it dies. The prey flees this makes the prey self aware because it knows if it does not flee it will die. Both are aware of their existance but that does not put them on the human level.

I train rottweilers and they can do more tricks than that and they obey commands in three different languages. I've seen herding dogs respond to many different whistled commands. From personal experiance I've watched rotties study people for the sole purpose of training them so they could do what pleased them not what would please the owners and even this does not raise them to the human level. Because a person does not understand the nature of dogs and allow themselves to be manipulated by dogs does not raise the intelligence of the dog it only shows the lack of understanding on a owners part. Oh by the way my latest rottie she loves to blow bubbles in her water pan and she gets just as excited as the whales do.

[The_Flying_Skeptic]

That was their world-view, their perspective or subjective take on reality, like the world being flat, the idea we're superior to all other life is as dead as a doornail.

I disagree that the idea that humans are 'superior' should be considered as dead as doornail. I think that position on our own species is harsh. I personally believe we should care more about or own species than any other species, but I'm not sure that means thinking our own species is superior to all others. I do not think we are 'superior' in the same way as Christians because Christianity and in other religions we are told that a deity created all other life 'for us' and there is no evidence for this... Humans die to other life all the time 'no matter how much they pray' that the snake venom won't kill them.

I gave you kudos for posting that cool video of the whale's interacting. I wonder how they taught the whales to make ring bubbles on command. They either showed the dolphins how and rewarded them when they mimicked the behavior or most whales know how to make ring bubbles and they rewarded them every time they made ring bubbles so they would make them more often eventually attaching a command to the behavior...

[AngelThMan]

This is not circular reasoning at all. When the bible claims that man is made in the image of God, and that man is superior to animals, it is not said in the same context as I'm using it here. In other words, no one was saying "the fact that we are the only species with sapient intelligent is evidence there's a God." I'm the one making this claim. What we see around us corroborates what was written in the bible, in passages written with entirely different purposes.

That was their world-view, their perspective or subjective take on reality, like the world being flat, the idea we're superior to all other life is as dead as a doornail.

You're corrupted your capacity for intellectual study with such rod and that is a sad thing for a sapient creature to do. It makes you ignorant of the varying levels of intelligence that is empirically abundant out there. I mean take a look at these big fellas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCAUleX5h8A

Every time I see them I get Goosebumps, I realised they're studying us, they are alive like you and me, watching us and interacting with us, if that’s not sapience, a living being that is self-aware then I quite simply don't know what is.

It's laughable that you present beluga whales as proof of animals with sapient intelligence. Especially when they're performing tricks taught by humans, imprisoned in tanks created by humans. NO ONE in the fields of science, biology, or marine biology consider beluga whales, or any other animals, to have sapient intelligence. Humans are the only species with sapient intelligence. You're dancing circles around the real issue, perhaps in fear that you won't be able to answer the real question: Why are humans the only species with sapient intelligence?

[Minimalist]

To clarify, I didn't mean everyone on this forum. You are obviously older, and I can tell from your arguments. But the great majority of people here, on this thread at least, are youngish people who have not been atheists very long, and find comfort in the idea of no longer having to adhere to the standards of believing in a deity, mainly as a rebellion to oppressive church lives as youngsters. Ironically, this is the worst reason to be an atheist.

You are apparently more set in your belief, but these kids do not hold their views from a place of true contemplation. They do not clearly understand what they're into, and you can tell from their juvenile arguments, where they invent sci-fi-style scenarios and mimic popular atheist catch phrases.

Take a look at the age statistics:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-148.html

Thanks for bringing that thread back up, Phil.

Gave me a chance to fill in the category of 60+!