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Evidence God Exists
RE: Evidence God Exists
(September 18, 2010 at 1:53 pm)Regens Küchl Wrote: Every octopus has more brain than a human who kneels before a non existing Christian god!

*Yawn* And where is the argument for your polytheism being true?
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RE: Evidence God Exists
(September 18, 2010 at 3:38 am)blood_pardon Wrote:
Entropy Wrote:Well, I was responding to a post saying that a Christian says that his god answers their prayers, miraculously makes things better. I call bullshit. Simple.
You simply cannot dismiss someones personal claims.



Watch me.


Too many people are flat out fucking crazy.
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RE: Evidence God Exists
You can put it away in your own mind but when it comes to telling someone that there personal expiriences are in fact lies or delusions your arguments are unwarranted.
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RE: Evidence God Exists
(September 20, 2010 at 1:43 am)blood_pardon Wrote: You can put it away in your own mind but when it comes to telling someone that there personal expiriences are in fact lies or delusions your arguments are unwarranted.
One of the reasons why science works so well and many atheists have a special affinity for it is precisely because of the scientific method and the beautiful and brutal process of peer review.
What that means is that if some guy says something, there's a litany of other people (some of whom may have a vested interest in you being wrong) who will test, re-test, and try their best to disprove your theory before it can go anywhere near being accepted.

So what I'm trying to say is that yes, listening to experts is important, but in many cases, it can rarely be definative.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925

Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
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RE: Evidence God Exists
(September 20, 2010 at 1:43 am)blood_pardon Wrote: You can put it away in your own mind but when it comes to telling someone that there personal expiriences are in fact lies or delusions your arguments are unwarranted.

Tonight a man has come to the ER where I work claiming he is hearing voices and is having suicidal thoughts. I suppose there's nothing unusual about that-- I have no idea why we are getting counseling services to talk to the man...
“Society is not a disease, it is a disaster. What a stupid miracle that one can live in it.” ~ E.M. Cioran
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RE: Evidence God Exists
(September 20, 2010 at 1:43 am)blood_pardon Wrote: You can put it away in your own mind but when it comes to telling someone that there personal expiriences are in fact lies or delusions your arguments are unwarranted.



These mother-fuckers thought their delusions were real too.

Do you agree with them?


http://allphilosophy.com/topic/1908

Quote:God Told Me To Kill My Baby

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...58706.html

Quote:A Texas woman who stoned two of her children to death and seriously injured a third on Mother's Day last year told psychiatrists she was driven to kill by a message from God and that she was sure they would rise again from the dead.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/02/12/D...234475937/

Quote:During the interview, Hagerman said that God had told him to kill his son, Joshua, to keep him from the anti-Christ.

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2007/...l_gays.php

Quote:A Cypress man charged in the death of a Southwest Airlines flight attendant said Saturday that he was doing God's work when he went to a Montrose-area bar last month, hunting for a gay man to kill.

http://crime.about.com/b/2004/12/13/god-...arents.htm

Quote:A college student who confessed to shooting his parents and then breaking a chain saw trying to cut up their bodies said, "God told me to" in a interview with police.


The Google search generated 6 million hits. I guess you think we should let them all go because WTF, god talked to them so it must be true.

I say they are batshit crazy.
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RE: Evidence God Exists
(September 20, 2010 at 1:43 am)blood_pardon Wrote: You can put it away in your own mind but when it comes to telling someone that there personal expiriences are in fact lies or delusions your arguments are unwarranted.

anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

There is one sort of evidence that is used in court that is wrong in 60% of cases.
That evidence is eyewitness evidence.
This is error on a level that is more than random chance.
The cause is that peoples perceptions are easily led astray and incorrect memories created, peoples prejudices come into play as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_identification




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There are instances where telling people they are crazy is appropriate. You are right, I am wrong.
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RE: Evidence God Exists
(September 20, 2010 at 1:43 am)blood_pardon Wrote: You can put it away in your own mind but when it comes to telling someone that there personal expiriences are in fact lies or delusions your arguments are unwarranted.

No but it is perfectly logical to say that personal experiences are inconclusive and cannot be used as an argument for the thing that was experienced. To do this would allow any personal experiences, no matter how contradictory, to be indicative of the truth - Any such standard that allows contradictory conclusions is insufficient in determining the truth.
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No but 200 people giving eye-witness reports of seeing something in the sky, will be based off of their own perspective and different to differing degrees, They all saw something. It's indicative of something. Like seeing the voids in space is indicative of black holes.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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