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Paris Museum caves to Islamic threats over art.
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RE: Paris Museum caves to Islamic threats over art.
(January 29, 2015 at 6:41 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(January 29, 2015 at 6:17 pm)Blackout Wrote: Brian following my comment on the other thread about race and religions, this is a perfect example of when we should criticize Muslims regardless of race Wink

Not even black is a race. A dark skin Jamaican is not going to have anything in common with a dark skin Ugandan or a dark skin San Franciscan vs a dark skin Argentinian.

Except relatively recent African ancestry. Regional variation within a species is what race is.

(January 30, 2015 at 6:24 am)Lucanus Wrote: But many of them do. Think about the muslim policeman who died in the wake of the attack on Charlie Hebdo. Saying "let's kick them all out" is not going to help, and neither are those cartoons.

Yeah, we keep griping about Islam when we should be focused on Islamism: the idea that people who aren't Muslims should have Muslim rules applied to them. There are millions of Muslims who are fine with other people doing their own thing, but we keep catching them in the wide net we throw out whenever people who are Muslims misbehave.

The response to the threat against the art should have been to track down those who made the threat and arrest them: free speech doesn't include freedom to threaten violence.

And though it may be dangerous, the policy towards Islamism should be to never give in. The cartoons are stupid, but a threat of violence should guarantee their display. Threatening violence should always be counterproductive. And if they carry it out, at least the police can be ready for it.
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RE: Paris Museum caves to Islamic threats over art.
(January 30, 2015 at 6:12 am)Lucanus Wrote: That's just stupid tho. Unnecessarily divisive and fascist-like. That's the kind of pictures I see on Northern League pamphlets. Sending people away won't solve anything; if anything, we'll just have more enemies and they will hate us even more.


It's a cartoon - it's not a concentration camp.
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#23
RE: Paris Museum caves to Islamic threats over art.
Sure, but it's the kind of cartoon used by a certain kind of people with a certain kind of ideas towards anything different from what they're used to - and that's what makes me dislike it.
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RE: Paris Museum caves to Islamic threats over art.
(January 30, 2015 at 12:45 pm)Minimalist Wrote: It's a cartoon - it's not a concentration camp.

Just a cartoon, eh?

Note the dehumanization involved, drawing Muslims with pig snouts and hooves. Note the subtle appeal to racism in the plainly different complexions.

Just a cartoon ... right.

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RE: Paris Museum caves to Islamic threats over art.
That's fine, everyone is free to dislike it Smile
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RE: Paris Museum caves to Islamic threats over art.
(January 30, 2015 at 1:43 pm)robvalue Wrote: That's fine, everyone is free to dislike it Smile

Thanks for the insight.

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RE: Paris Museum caves to Islamic threats over art.
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Quote:An artwork depicting high-heeled shoes on Islamic prayer mats has been removed from an exhibition

The sick mind that has painted that. Shoes! With high heels! The audacity!
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As a confirmed legs and ass man, today my heart is filled with nothing but pity for those Muslim men who share my fascination. No high heels? Perish the thought! I'm prepared to start a damn Jihad of my own to fight for the rights of women everywhere to have at least one pair of hooker-quality heels by the bed at all times.

The barbarians have gone too far this time!
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#28
RE: Paris Museum caves to Islamic threats over art.
The museum decision is a very bad precedent. Muslims don't like ANY paintings of ANY people, as it believed to be a graven image.

The museum rolls over on this, the complainers will be emboldened to ask for more concessions, and pretty soon there won't be an art museum there at all.

The 'proper' response would be MORE 'offensive' art. If that is the response to bickerish complainers they will go off on some other protest.
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#29
RE: Paris Museum caves to Islamic threats over art.
I agree. I understand being scared, really I do. But sadly, overall this is the worst decision.

More pisstake. More of it. Mohammed is locked in my basement and I kick him in the nuts every 20 minutes. And he likes it.

The pisstake will continue until islam grows up.
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#30
RE: Paris Museum caves to Islamic threats over art.
(January 29, 2015 at 7:03 pm)Blackout Wrote:
(January 29, 2015 at 6:41 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Islam is not a race, Jew is not a race, Christianity is not a race. Not even black is a race. A dark skin Jamaican is not going to have anything in common with a dark skin Ugandan or a dark skin San Franciscan vs a dark skin Argentinian.

Jews and Muslims in that area have always mixed and still do.Not even t he native Americans were natives. Their ancestors came to the Americas from the north over natural ice bridges and island hopping in the Barring Straights.

Go back far enough all humans came from Africa. Go back further and we are related to primates. Go back further we are related to other mammals .
It is not to say that race isn't a problem, but it is still used by humans in all boarders interchangeably with religion and even nationalism.

Yes we should criticize Islam, it is the biggest trouble maker in the world today, not that others don't have their own baggage.
Every people has mixed troughout history but there's still some differences we socially appoint to people. What I'm saying is that with the news you linked we should criticize Islam and it deserves to be ridiculed, it's reasonable - It doesn't mean I'm going to say Muslims are oppressing Europeans when they are less than 10% of the population

Arguing over labels is like arguing over how to make a sporting event or movie run forever. It wont happen no matter how we dress it up.
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