RE: Challenge For Theists
February 9, 2015 at 11:45 pm
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2015 at 11:47 pm by Nope.)
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RE: Challenge For Theists
February 10, 2015 at 9:02 am
(This post was last modified: February 10, 2015 at 9:08 am by Drich.)
RE: Challenge For Theists
February 10, 2015 at 9:27 am
(This post was last modified: February 10, 2015 at 9:27 am by Norman Humann.)
(February 10, 2015 at 9:02 am)Drich Wrote:I'm not? If I'm not mistaken, you said that God is the proof of his existence. So his inexistence is also the proof for itself.(February 9, 2015 at 11:44 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: Whoever said that they did? I just followed your logic. Also, you're wrong and the proof is the fact that you're wrong. That's what your logic sounds like. (February 10, 2015 at 9:27 am)Norman Humann Wrote:(February 10, 2015 at 9:02 am)Drich Wrote: Actually your not.I'm not? If I'm not mistaken, you said that God is the proof of his existence. So his inexistence is also the proof for itself. Sounds about right for Drich.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
Even if there were a plurality of gods, demi-gods, and lesser deities, there could still only be one All, or Supreme Being.
Quote:Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen it to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. (February 9, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Nope Wrote: If someone asked me to prove that I am the real Nope, I would show them identification forms like my birth certificate and drivers license. My husband and I have been married 26 years so he would be my character witness. I have multiple friends and family who could vouch for my being the real deal. Also, a DNA test would be the final proof. You've got it easier than the rest of us, though. You can always ask a person "do you know who I am?" Then they respond "nope" and you have your verification!
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould RE: Challenge For Theists
February 10, 2015 at 10:06 am
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(February 9, 2015 at 11:40 pm)Drich Wrote: [...] Or perhaps proof of mental illness. Or chemical intoxication. Or a dream. How could you ever tell the difference? Basically, what you seem to be saying, is that the only way to obtain a proof of god is brain malfunction, or supernatural intervention. Which means this "proof" can't be shared, is useless in a rational discussion and so you may just as well keep it to yourself. Just on the off-chance, that instead of god's grace, you experienced a mental breakdown at some point and now you're simply working under false assumptions, spreading wrong "information" and interfering with any potential "real" God's actual plan. Don't worry - Jesus will get to everyone, eventually. Santa does...
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
RE: Challenge For Theists
February 10, 2015 at 10:30 am
(This post was last modified: February 10, 2015 at 10:45 am by Nope.)
(February 10, 2015 at 9:40 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Even if there were a plurality of gods, demi-gods, and lesser deities, there could still only be one All, or Supreme Being. Although I am not certain why there would have to be one Supreme Being, your argument at least makes some sense and isn't circular. Thank you. (February 10, 2015 at 9:02 am)Drich Wrote: I said proof of God lies with in God. If you seek God as He is instructs at some point in your existence you will indeed see Him. Hindus and other faiths also 'experience' their god. They would use the exact argument that you are using. "If you seek Vishnu as he instructs at some point in your existence you will indeed see him." What you are arguing works for all other faiths also. That is my point. Can you come up with an argument that only applies to your god. As for the rest of your quote, when have I ever said that religious people are stupid? Religion serves emotional needs in some people, including you. So, what do you think is behind the Hindu faith? There have been Hindus who have died rather than convert to Islam so they must believe their religion is correct every bit as passionately as you do. (February 10, 2015 at 9:02 am)Drich Wrote: I said proof of God lies with in God. If you seek God as He is instructs at some point in your existence you will indeed see Him. So, you were asked for proof of god, and you decide to bray "the proof of god is god!" and yet you have the astounding gall to accuse someone else of committing a fallacy?
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