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Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 9, 2015 at 10:10 pm
As the title says, assuming you are a Christian who believes Jesus (Christ) is the only way to salvation (Yes, Unitarians don't believe Jesus as God and Jesus as the only means to God).
So for argument sake, Imagine if Jesus (yes the real one) who frequently reveals himself to born-again Christians, tells you that you were doing it all wrong as in the bible is not his word.
Would you:
1) disregard this revelation as an hallucination?
2) ditch the bible?
3) consider this as Satan trying to deceive you by dressing up as Jesus?
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 9, 2015 at 10:53 pm
Well.... it this is true which is highly unlikely i would wan't nothing to do with either side. I would rather sit on the outside of both sides watching the devil and god bicker and bitch at one another.
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 9, 2015 at 11:18 pm
(February 9, 2015 at 10:10 pm)Forsaken Wrote: As the title says, assuming you are a Christian who believes Jesus (Christ) is the only way to salvation (Yes, Unitarians don't believe Jesus as God and Jesus as the only means to God).
So for argument sake, Imagine if Jesus (yes the real one) who frequently reveals himself to born-again Christians, tells you that you were doing it all wrong as in the bible is not his word.
Would you:
1) disregard this revelation as an hallucination?
2) ditch the bible?
3) consider this as Satan trying to deceive you by dressing up as Jesus?
That's how (more or less) how Mormonism got started
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 9, 2015 at 11:40 pm
Joe Smith was convinced the bible, as it existed in 1820/30, was a hopelessly corrupted version of what existed at the time of Jesus in regards to the old testament, and also hopelessly corrupted in regards to the subsequent new testament. IIRC, at that time, the oldest biblical texts known were around 1000 years old. Joe posited the early church and then the Catholics revised, revised, rewrote and rewrote the bible till virtually nothing was left that was correct.
Joe set about restore the 'true' church. He announced numerous revelations towards that end, he also rewrote the bible (I'm not discussing the Book of Mormon, to be clear) at the order of God and at His direction, restoring it's original correct form. Implicit in this, is the promise that as older and older copies of the bible might be discovered, we will see a progression in the texts to his corrected version. He also announced a revelation from God directing his church to publish his corrected bible. Joe was relentless and vehement in his criticism of the Catholic church in particular for corrupting the bible.
Curiously, as older texts were discovered, going clear back to the Dead Sea Scrolls, they much more strongly resembled the texts already known in Joe's time than to his version.
Ooops.
Additionally, to this day, over 175 years later, his church has steadfastly declined to publish Joe's version of the bible, despite the direct order of God to do so.
The RLDS (currently Community of Christ) did publish Joe's version, and Mormon scholars have confirmed the RLDS publication is faithful to the copy of Joe's version in the Mormon archive.
Additionally, revealingly, tragically and humorously, the Mormon church has made over 3000 edits, to date, to the Book of Mormon, despite it's pronouncement at the time of it's original reception direct from God, of being the most perfect book ever.
Hard to imagine any outsider doing a better job of falsifying Mormonism than the Mormons have done themselves.
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 9, 2015 at 11:52 pm
(February 9, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Drich Wrote: (February 9, 2015 at 10:10 pm)Forsaken Wrote: As the title says, assuming you are a Christian who believes Jesus (Christ) is the only way to salvation (Yes, Unitarians don't believe Jesus as God and Jesus as the only means to God).
So for argument sake, Imagine if Jesus (yes the real one) who frequently reveals himself to born-again Christians, tells you that you were doing it all wrong as in the bible is not his word.
Would you:
1) disregard this revelation as an hallucination?
2) ditch the bible?
3) consider this as Satan trying to deceive you by dressing up as Jesus?
That's how (more or less) how Mormonism got started
So which is it, Drich?
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 9, 2015 at 11:56 pm
(February 9, 2015 at 11:52 pm)Forsaken Wrote: (February 9, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Drich Wrote: That's how (more or less) how Mormonism got started
So which is it, Drich?
You won't get a answer.
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 10, 2015 at 12:19 am
(February 9, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Drich Wrote: That's how (more or less) how Mormonism got started
Well, that and ol' Joe Smith thought there'd be some money in it, I suspect.
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 10, 2015 at 12:45 am
In Joe's case, it is tough to discern which was the stronger drive; filthy lucre, or hot Mormon poontang.
Sadly, IANMTU.
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 10, 2015 at 12:54 am
(February 9, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Drich Wrote: (February 9, 2015 at 10:10 pm)Forsaken Wrote: As the title says, assuming you are a Christian who believes Jesus (Christ) is the only way to salvation (Yes, Unitarians don't believe Jesus as God and Jesus as the only means to God).
So for argument sake, Imagine if Jesus (yes the real one) who frequently reveals himself to born-again Christians, tells you that you were doing it all wrong as in the bible is not his word.
Would you:
1) disregard this revelation as an hallucination?
2) ditch the bible?
3) consider this as Satan trying to deceive you by dressing up as Jesus?
That's how (more or less) how Mormonism got started Lol. That's how Christianity got started too knuckle head.
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RE: Christians, where does your allegiance lie? - Jesus Christ or Bible
February 10, 2015 at 12:56 am
(This post was last modified: February 10, 2015 at 1:02 am by Drich.)
(February 9, 2015 at 11:52 pm)Forsaken Wrote: (February 9, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Drich Wrote: That's how (more or less) how Mormonism got started
So which is it, Drich?
Seriously? An unbibled version of Jesus is (to borrow a term from the atheist) makes whatever is claiming to be Christ 'unfalsefiable.' This being in essence is described by the book of revelation as not/anti-christ.
This 'not-christ' will present with many signs and wonders, but will not conform to the biblical teachings of Jesus. Just as your little senerio says.
So which will I follow? 
I serve and worship the God of the bible and not the anti-christ it warns is comming.
(February 9, 2015 at 11:56 pm)dyresand Wrote: (February 9, 2015 at 11:52 pm)Forsaken Wrote: So which is it, Drich?
You won't get a answer.
When have I ever not given an answer? (Answers not in youtube form still count as answers given) 
(February 10, 2015 at 12:19 am)Esquilax Wrote: (February 9, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Drich Wrote: That's how (more or less) how Mormonism got started
Well, that and ol' Joe Smith thought there'd be some money in it, I suspect.
Joey also was into being a husband of many wives, and racial purity as well. Even so I'm giving him the benfit of the doubt. I'm sure he saw something that said he was Jesus/angel of God.
Just like I believe mo-Hamm saw something pretending to be an angel of God.
Which is why jesus apart from the biblical portrayal is considered to be 'not-Christ.'
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