Hell and the Play Nice Christian

[Chad32]

They just don't understand that telling people condoms don't work won't stop them from having sex. It will just convince them to not use condoms, or other birth control methods, when they do have sex.


And of course on the off chance some repressed teen decides to actually wait, they get married at 18 just so they can start having sex.

[The Reality Salesman01]

It's not good buddy. Not good at all.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Hell has been a reason for people to come to Christ and rightly so, it want be pleasant, love however should be the greater part of the Christians life.

GC

Y'know, there once was a ruler who insisted that the people follow his dogma, or suffer inescapable and agonizing punishment.

That's right: Josef Stalin.

That is what happens when you're selling a bankrupt ideology ... persuasion must make use of fear.

[The Reality Salesman01]

I'm a Texan by birth as well. Stalin sux!

[Lek]

Would you prefer that I refer to the protection of hundreds of pedophiles for the good of the church? The church they believe their God wants them to protect...there's really an endless supply of people doing these crazy things. The reason you can be catholic and still be disgusted is because of your individual moral compass. The same one that dismisses all the barbarism God ordered Moses to carry out. You do this because the morality in the bible comes from OUR intuition that recognizes the good from the bad. It has nothing to do with whomever you believed to have put them in there. No God needed.

I don't see anything in your sources that says that missionaries are saying that condoms cause disease or that condom use is worse than having AIDS. What are you talking about? You're pulling stuff out of the air.

[The Reality Salesman01]

Ah, then either English isn't your native language or you are unable to utilize rational inferences. I'm afraid neither of those handicaps will serve you well on this site. Good luck!

[Thumpalumpacus]

I don't see anything in your sources that says that missionaries are saying that condoms cause disease or that condom use is worse than having AIDS. What are you talking about? You're pulling stuff out of the air.

You clearly didn't see the part where the Catholic bishop insisted that pro-condom ads be pulled.

Also, you clearly did open Esquilax's link showing this billboard:



Mind you, that billboard, and two others like it, were mounted by a Catholic organization, Human life International.

And you clearly are uninformed about the public controversy over the Church's position:

The Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which the HIV virus can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk.

The church is making the claims across four continents despite a widespread scientific consensus that condoms are impermeable to the HIV virus.

A senior Vatican spokesman backs the claims about permeable condoms, despite assurances by the World Health Organisation that they are untrue.

The church's claims are revealed in a BBC1 Panorama programme, Sex and the Holy City, to be broadcast on Sunday. The president of the Vatican's Pontifical Council for the Family, Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, told the programme: "The Aids virus is roughly 450 times smaller than the spermatozoon. The spermatozoon can easily pass through the 'net' that is formed by the condom.

"These margins of uncertainty... should represent an obligation on the part of the health ministries and all these campaigns to act in the same way as they do with regard to cigarettes, which they state to be a danger."

The WHO has condemned the Vatican's views, saying: "These incorrect statements about condoms and HIV are dangerous when we are facing a global pandemic which has already killed more than 20 million people, and currently affects at least 42 million."

The organisation says "consistent and correct" condom use reduces the risk of HIV infection by 90%. There may be breakage or slippage of condoms - but not, the WHO says, holes through which the virus can pass .

Scientific research by a group including the US National Institutes of Health and the WHO found "intact condoms... are essentially impermeable to particles the size of STD pathogens including the smallest sexually transmitted virus... condoms provide a highly effective barrier to transmission of particles of similar size to those of the smallest STD viruses".

http://www.rense.com/general42/dia.htm

You could also ameliorate your ignorance by reading the Wikipedia article on the issue.

I'd certainly advise your learning about an issue before opining.

[robvalue]

Religion directly causes massive needless harm.

If you don't think that's true, you're denying reality. The condom thing is but one example.

[Esquilax]

I don't see anything in your sources that says that missionaries are saying that condoms cause disease or that condom use is worse than having AIDS. What are you talking about? You're pulling stuff out of the air.

Yeah, I know. It's not like anybody furnished you with clear pictorial evidence of worse claims being made by Catholic organizations down that way. Never happened.

[YGninja]

The knowledge of God, and his laws, is put into your heart. Whether you follow them or not is entirely at your discretion. The Bible isnt the map, rather just an explanation of it.

Why do you think it's okay to tell us what we know and believe in one thread, when in another thread you derided me when you perceived that I was doing the same thing?

Can you say a single thing without proving yourself a hypocrite?

If you are referring to the 14 y/o kid who referred to his parents as "retarded" for being Christian yet claimed only to have a "lack of belief", the two are very different instances.

The real challenge is, can you say a single thing without a smug emote??