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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 21, 2015 at 10:28 pm
(February 21, 2015 at 9:41 pm)Wiggy Wrote: Thats a big statement because all of those who wrote the new testament were killed for their testimony. No one dies for a fabricated lie So the Bible is a genuine lie, then?
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 21, 2015 at 11:45 pm
(February 21, 2015 at 9:41 pm)Wiggy Wrote: robvalue Wrote: In other words, they copied out the back of the book and still got it wrong.
Thats a big statement because all of those who wrote the new testament were killed for their testimony. No one dies for a fabricated lie
But heaps of people die for delusions.
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 21, 2015 at 11:51 pm
(February 21, 2015 at 9:21 pm)robvalue Wrote:
According to the prophecy, his name was supposed to be Emmanuel.
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 22, 2015 at 12:11 am
(February 21, 2015 at 9:41 pm)Wiggy Wrote: Thats a big statement because all of those who wrote the new testament were killed for their testimony.
Citation needed!!!!!!!!!
We don't even know much of anything about the authors, especially who they were or how their works were disseminated. We certainly don't have reason to suspect that many of them were killed for their stories.
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 22, 2015 at 12:23 am
(February 21, 2015 at 9:12 pm)Wiggy Wrote: In the beginning there was nothing.
0+0=0
Therefore there must be an eternal creator outside of time and space. Simple really.
hold on, how is outside of time and space any different from completely non-existent?
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 22, 2015 at 12:40 am
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(February 21, 2015 at 9:12 pm)Wiggy Wrote: In the beginning there was nothing.
Hmm...this is an amazing hypothesis. Unload your evidence!
(February 21, 2015 at 9:12 pm)Wiggy Wrote: 0+0=0 I think I see what you were able to do there. You demonstrated that zero is is incoherent of all properties. It is equal to exactly nothing.
(February 21, 2015 at 9:12 pm)Wiggy Wrote: Therefore there must be an eternal creator outside of time and space. Simple really. No...You're going to have to show your work on this one. Forgive me if I'm a bit slow. 0+0=0, it's anything but simple to infer that there's anything that follows that equation whatsoever. The number 1 would need just as much of an explanation as the number infinity x infinity that you just concluded. If it's so simple, please show us the rest of your math... 
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 22, 2015 at 12:53 am
Wiggy (and a lot of others) love to go point by refuted point, galloping through everything that's been brought up a million times.
I feel bad for such people; it takes them a ton of posts to get all of their tired arguments out there. They must get carpal tunnel syndrome at an alarming rate.
So I propose we do them a favor, to show that we heathens can be altruistic too. I wonder if we can come up with a single word that could just, in itself, encapsulate all of these arguments (arguments like "there had to be a creator, so many people believe in Jesus that he must be real and magical, Christian prophecy comes true and other religions' doesn't, and so on)
Does anyone know one simple word that could cover those arguments together?
TL;DR: "Bullshit!"
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 22, 2015 at 1:17 am
(February 22, 2015 at 12:53 am)TRJF Wrote: Wiggy (and a lot of others) love to go point by refuted point, galloping through everything that's been brought up a million times.
I feel bad for such people; it takes them a ton of posts to get all of their tired arguments out there. They must get carpal tunnel syndrome at an alarming rate.
So I propose we do them a favor, to show that we heathens can be altruistic too. I wonder if we can come up with a single word that could just, in itself, encapsulate all of these arguments (arguments like "there had to be a creator, so many people believe in Jesus that he must be real and magical, Christian prophecy comes true and other religions' doesn't, and so on)
Does anyone know one simple word that could cover those arguments together?
TL;DR: "Bullshit!"
I like where your head is. The shitty part is that we'd have to attach what you've just wrote as an explanation for whatever that word may be. At least this way you get to sharpen the tools in your adjective drawer and conjur more creative ways to burst the intellectual bubbles of full grown children. It's a right of passage for some. I was a Christian once and I remember suffering similar disappointments when my brilliant apologetic arguments were not received with the brilliant white flag I always expected to see in response. For many Of these people, their entire education of the workings of the world has been funneled into their mind through a filter that prevented "damaging" modern knowledge from entering. Religious colleges present those ancient arguments from Aquinas and Anslem as if they've stood the test of time. So, when one of those students gets an account here, they're under the impression that they've been equipped with the logical sword of God only to be completely oblivious when that "sword" is smashed into splinters and continuously driven into their every pore. I don't have a single word for this process, per se, but I do have a phrase...
"Here comes another one..."
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 22, 2015 at 2:16 am
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(February 21, 2015 at 9:12 pm)Wiggy Wrote: In the beginning there was nothing.
0+0=0
Therefore there must be an eternal creator outside of time and space. Simple really.
And where does this eternal creator exist? In what time does this eternal creator have thoughts like, "Hmmmm, I'm bored. Let's make a universe today."
EVEN IF there's a God who made this universe, this doesn't solve the philosophical problem of infinite regress.
(February 22, 2015 at 12:40 am)The Reality Salesman Wrote: No...You're going to have to show your work on this one. Forgive me if I'm a bit slow. 0+0=0, it's anything but simple to infer that there's anything that follows that equation whatsoever. The number 1 would need just as much of an explanation as the number infinity x infinity that you just concluded. If it's so simple, please show us the rest of your math...
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RE: The argument of "chance"
February 22, 2015 at 2:49 am
Anyone gonna answer this? Wiggy?
(February 21, 2015 at 9:13 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: (February 21, 2015 at 9:12 pm)Wiggy Wrote: In the beginning there was nothing.
0+0=0
Therefore there must be a creator outside of time and space. Simple really.
Not so simple; now you have to answer the question: where did that creator come from?
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