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Christians, Prove Your God Is Good
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 (February 22, 2015 at 5:45 pm)IATIA Wrote:(February 22, 2015 at 5:36 pm)Ignorant Wrote: How/in what way can something be good?Is heaven good? How can I responsibly answer that question in a satisfactory way without a common understanding of the most important word, i.e. good? How can I say heaven is good or not good if I don't know you (or anyone) understands that word in a similar way that I do?  Quote: Christians, Prove Your God Is? Good  (February 22, 2015 at 5:36 pm)Ignorant Wrote: What is meant by the phrase: "God is good"? Hi, @Ignorant.  If you are getting at using God as the ground good, I have a better idea for you. Instead of using God why don't we use me? watchamadoodle will be the ground of all good instead of God. At least I know I exist. You are right that it is hard to define good, but it is also hard to define God, and we don't even know if God exists. Using God as the ground of good doesn't help IMO.  (February 22, 2015 at 4:55 pm)Drich Wrote:(February 21, 2015 at 9:33 pm)Nope Wrote: The god of the bible is a sociopath. I am curious if Christians can explain why their god is good without resorting to "Because the bible says"Good is a relative term, even with nazis their were 'good' people. So to say God is or we are 'good' is meaningless with out some measure of standard in which to identify good. Good can be determined by objective means. Is abandoning/killing people for being disobedient good? No. If we all did that, everyone would be killing their children left and right, and the species would die off quickly. We don't need the bible to tell us this. Not that the bible tells us not to kill children for disobedience. It pretty much says the reverse.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason... http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/ Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh. http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html 
Saying god is a sociopath is insulting to sociopaths who don't engage in crimes. The god of the bible is purely evil and takes pleasure on causing pain.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you
At least some sociopaths have enough restraint not to commit crimes because people annoy them, or hurt their feelings. Then again, Yahweh can't really be punished by a higher power, if he is indeed the highest power. With no checks against his actions, he does what many would do: Become sutterly corrupt while still claiming his intentions are good.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason... http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/ Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh. http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html RE: Christians, Prove Your God Is Good
February 22, 2015 at 7:28 pm
(This post was last modified: February 22, 2015 at 7:31 pm by Ignorant.)
(February 22, 2015 at 6:24 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote:(February 22, 2015 at 5:36 pm)Ignorant Wrote: What is meant by the phrase: "God is good"? Well, that isn't what I am getting at. I know what I mean by good, but I don't know what you mean by it (which is why I asked). I don't use God as "the ground good". It is ok if you don't have a way of expressing it, but you (and others here) clearly have a particular understanding of "goodness" which you find contradictory to God (particularly his actions as they are supposedly described in the bible). I would like to know what that understanding is, and where it came from if possible? And thanks for the welcome! (February 22, 2015 at 6:30 pm)Chad32 Wrote:(February 22, 2015 at 4:55 pm)Drich Wrote: Good is a relative term, even with nazis their were 'good' people. So to say God is or we are 'good' is meaningless with out some measure of standard in which to identify good. That is an action described as good or bad. So what do you mean when you say a thing (e.g. god) is good or bad?  RE: Christians, Prove Your God Is Good
February 22, 2015 at 7:56 pm
(This post was last modified: February 22, 2015 at 8:21 pm by Nope.)
(February 22, 2015 at 4:55 pm)Drich Wrote: [quote='Nope' pid='881534' dateline='1424568786'] Could you expand on this a bit, Drich? Perhaps you could give an example of what is considered moral according to your god that isn't also considered good by the popular culture. Quote: Pop culture is always been about being with in the bounds of the lessor of two evils.. That is why we all eventually devolve into a nazi/ISIS type of self righteousness. Maybe I am wrong but isn't pop culture things like music, tv shows and movies? I do not believe in god and so far I have no desire to hurt anyone. Do you have proof that without god we would turn into genocidal maniacs? Actually, bible god drowned most of humanity once and has promised to return to destroy most of humankind again. Are there corcumstances where you believe genocide is moral, Drich? How can you judge the Nazis as evil when, according to the bible, your god has done worse? Hello ignorant. If you give us your definition of good we can determine where we agree and disagree. RE: Christians, Prove Your God Is Good
February 22, 2015 at 8:37 pm
(This post was last modified: February 22, 2015 at 8:38 pm by Chad32.)
(February 22, 2015 at 7:28 pm)Ignorant Wrote:(February 22, 2015 at 6:30 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Good can be determined by objective means. Is abandoning/killing people for being disobedient good? No. If we all did that, everyone would be killing their children left and right, and the species would die off quickly. We don't need the bible to tell us this. Not that the bible tells us not to kill children for disobedience. It pretty much says the reverse. It helps the most people, while harming the fewest.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason... http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/ Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh. http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html (February 22, 2015 at 7:28 pm)Ignorant Wrote: Well, that isn't what I am getting at. I know what I mean by good, but I don't know what you mean by it (which is why I asked). I don't use God as "the ground good". It is ok if you don't have a way of expressing it, but you (and others here) clearly have a particular understanding of "goodness" which you find contradictory to God (particularly his actions as they are supposedly described in the bible). I would like to know what that understanding is, and where it came from if possible? What is good? Here are some ideas: - environmentalism - kindness to animals (vegetarianism, etc.) - education - income redistribution - scientific and technological R&D - stable government - sensible regulations and laws - cats ... |
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