Christians, Prove Your God Is Good

[Ignorant]

[robvalue]

The character Yahweh as described in the bible is absolutely horrific and clearly it does not have human wellbeing or happiness as a priority.

If it was a human, and was running things the same way as in the bible, would you accept that as a worthy ruler who had everyone's best interest at heart?

I certainly wouldn't, I'd call him a fascist dictator.

Any attempt to show Yahweh is anything other despicable requires severe mental gymnastics, in my opinion.

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Let's take the order to slaughter an entire city for no particular reason. Is that in some sort of grey area?

[comet]

@Comet: Haha, good point. Yeah, my current theory is that "god" is entirely a personal god: it's a version of themself. An idealised version.

How else could god agree with everyone, while the people disagree with each other?

When some people on this site say "god says slavery is OK" and others say "no god says slavery is not OK", just replace "god says" with "I say" and you've hit the jackpot.

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@TRS: Yeah I see, thanks. Maybe it's trying to justify bad because good can't exist without it blah, blah. Well exactly, if all is good, you don't need the word good. Absolutely everything could be good. I can imagine it, heck I do most of the time, I live in a fantasy land in my head because this reality sucks so bad. But too much work for "god" the idle slacker and goat fucker.

.I agree. I am not sure about only personal though. I mean even ice-scream is not sold with 7 billion flavors. I think it is between "one for all" and "only personal". But I agree, for me it would be "smaller local groups" instead of big ones

[Ben Davis]

@Comet: Haha, good point. Yeah, my current theory is that "god" is entirely a personal god: it's a version of themself. An idealised version.

How else could god agree with everyone, while the people disagree with each other?

When some people on this site say "god says slavery is OK" and others say "no god says slavery is not OK", just replace "god says" with "I say" and you've hit the jackpot.

Don't know if you've seen this but here's a great vid from Darkmatter2525 which expands on this point:

[The Reality Salesman01]

It's an interesting theory. We do spend a LOT of time trying to explain that it's their CLAIMS we are rejecting, not them or any G/god(s). It's a wonder that the message is always so hard to convey.

[robvalue]

They don't get it. So many still don't even understand that atheists are not making any claims (by default).

Among the people who have been on this board since I arrived, some cannot or pretend not to understand this.

[The Reality Salesman01]

They don't get it. So many still don't even understand that atheists are not making any claims (by default).

Among the people who have been on this board since I arrived, some cannot or pretend not to understand this.

Kinda like:

"I understand that you're lactose intolerant, I know what that means. All I'm asking is, do you want a glass of milk?!"
-GOD DAMMIT, NO!

[MilesAbbott81]

The character Yahweh as described in the bible is absolutely horrific and clearly it does not have human wellbeing or happiness as a priority.

If it was a human, and was running things the same way as in the bible, would you accept that as a worthy ruler who had everyone's best interest at heart?

I certainly wouldn't, I'd call him a fascist dictator.

Any attempt to show Yahweh is anything other despicable requires severe mental gymnastics, in my opinion.

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Let's take the order to slaughter an entire city for no particular reason. Is that in some sort of grey area?

Where does God order the slaughter of an entire city for no particular reason? If you are referring to the Canaanites, they were destroyed because they were wicked people:

Deuteronomy 12:31
You must not worship the Lord your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the Lord hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.

Obviously, people who burn their own children alive deserve nothing less than complete and utter destruction. This practice was, unfortunately, continued in Israel's later years of apostasy during which they worshiped other gods, but they were justly destroyed for this as well.

God may be a dictator, but He dictates that there be good, and not evil. How is that wrong?

[robvalue]

OK, well he does it about... 10 times. Check it out.

They're all evil? Why did he make cities full of evil people just so he could send people to slaughter them? The babies are evil too huh? And the Virgins deserved to be raped?

If you're having trouble finding more of the slaughter, I'll go look up some verses for you.

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Oh yeah, sometimes all the animals are also killed.

Hitler was fine then, if God said Jews are evil yeah?

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Sorry about all the questions, I'm like a ball machine today!

Well, that's what she said anyway.

[dyresand]

OK, well he does it about... 10 times. Check it out.

They're all evil? Why did he make cities full of evil people just so he could send people to slaughter them? The babies are evil too huh? And the Virgins deserved to be raped?

If you're having trouble finding more of the slaughter, I'll go look up some verses for you.

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Oh yeah, sometimes all the animals are also killed.

Hitler was fine then, if God said Jews are evil yeah?

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Sorry about all the questions, I'm like a ball machine today!

Well, that's what she said anyway.

Also Job exodus and a few others as well.