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Quote:Summary: The belief, held by faith by many cosmologists, that God did not create the universe suggests, as codified in their Copernican and Cosmological principles, claims that the Earth is not in a special place. If however, the most expansive scientific observations ever made demonstrate that the universe has, in effect, a north and a south pole, aligned in an uncanny way with the Earth's orbit around the sun, then that would suggest that when God created the heavens and the Earth, that He put the Earth in a special place. Thus, atheistic cosmologists have coined the term Axis of Evil because in their upside down worldview, anything is evil if it is evidence against the big bang and for the God of the Bible.
RE: The CMB and the 'Axis of Evil' - evidence of God?
March 5, 2015 at 5:46 pm (This post was last modified: March 5, 2015 at 5:56 pm by Alex K.)
Quote:because in their upside down worldview, anything is evil if it is evidence against the big bang and for the God of the Bible.
Jeez they really don't comprehend sarcasm. The physicists make a self-conscious joke about their own preconceptions, and these dolts see a war against God.
But seriously, who understands the foreground subtraction and other background contamination well enough to exclude that they have influence on the apparent alignment of these very low multipoles (corresponding to the largest features in the CMB). It could be whatever.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
RE: The CMB and the 'Axis of Evil' - evidence of God?
March 5, 2015 at 5:54 pm (This post was last modified: March 5, 2015 at 5:54 pm by Norman Humann.)
Quote:The belief, held by faith by many cosmologists, that God did not create the universe suggests, as codified in their Copernican and Cosmological principles, claims that the Earth is not in a special place. If however, the most expansive scientific observations ever made demonstrate that the universe has, in effect, a north and a south pole, aligned in an uncanny way with the Earth's orbit around the sun, then that would suggest that when God created the heavens and the Earth, that He put the Earth in a special place.
RE: The CMB and the 'Axis of Evil' - evidence of God?
March 5, 2015 at 5:57 pm (This post was last modified: March 5, 2015 at 5:58 pm by ManMachine.)
(March 5, 2015 at 4:53 pm)rasetsu Wrote:
Quote:Summary: The belief, held by faith by many cosmologists, that God did not create the universe suggests, as codified in their Copernican and Cosmological principles, claims that the Earth is not in a special place. If however, the most expansive scientific observations ever made demonstrate that the universe has, in effect, a north and a south pole, aligned in an uncanny way with the Earth's orbit around the sun, then that would suggest that when God created the heavens and the Earth, that He put the Earth in a special place. Thus, atheistic cosmologists have coined the term Axis of Evil because in their upside down worldview, anything is evil if it is evidence against the big bang and for the God of the Bible.
Quote:The belief, held by faith by many cosmologists, that God did not create the universe suggests, as codified in their Copernican and Cosmological principles, claims that the Earth is not in a special place. If however, the most expansive scientific observations ever made demonstrate that the universe has, in effect, a north and a south pole, aligned in an uncanny way with the Earth's orbit around the sun, then that would suggest that when God created the heavens and the Earth, that He put the Earth in a special place.
I wish I was special,
So fucking special...
...but I'm a creep.
You're a weirdo.
MM
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RE: The CMB and the 'Axis of Evil' - evidence of God?
March 6, 2015 at 3:51 am
Compass needles seem in most places on earth to align in the horizontal direction with the only star in the sky that never seem to move. Therefore earth is special, and of course God.
RE: The CMB and the 'Axis of Evil' - evidence of God?
March 6, 2015 at 4:24 am (This post was last modified: March 6, 2015 at 4:36 am by Alex K.)
(March 6, 2015 at 3:40 am)robvalue Wrote: Look, I don't understand any of that,
It's not rocket science, rob! (literally... it really isn't, no rockets involved)
But let me lecturify:in order to mathematically describe the distribution and structure of the small temperature fluctuations we see in the cosmic microwave background
in a systematic and useful way, people rewrite it as a sum of so-called spherical harmonic functions which you may know as orbitals from the hydrogen atom (same maths, different physics). They are labelled by (among others) a number l. For larger and larger l, the functions describe smaller and smaller features:
The l=0 function is the "monopole" - it simply describes the constant average temperature of the CMB.
The l=1 functions are called "dipole" which describe the simplest deviation from constant you can have, where it is hotter on one side and cooler on the other,
the l=2 are called quadrupole which describe yet smaller features, the l=3 are called octopole and so on.
If you include functions of larger and larger l, you can describe the CMB picture above to arbitrary high accuracy.
You notice that there can be three independent dipole functions (m=-1 not shown here) which differ in the direction in which the fluctuation points. There are even more quadru and octopole functions which again more or less correspond to different orientations of the fluctuations in space.
When one says that, say, the quadrupole of the CMB looks like it is aligned with the solar system, that simply means that the l=2 spherical function we need to best describe the CMB is the one whose features seem aligned with the axis of the solar system.
That's astonishing because in standard cosmology there is no known mechanism how and why the fluctuations in the CMB, which stem from very far away regions on the edge of the observable universe, should have anything to do with the orientation of the little gas cloud that formed our solar system. Ergo, God.
On the other hand, these so-called "low dipoles" correspond to the largest features in the sky, the most prominent being the milky way itself. If some leftovers of the milky way radiation, which they try to painstakingly remove, creep into the final CMB picture, this can nudge the orientation of these dipole functions in a direction which looks aligned with the milky way, for example.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
RE: The CMB and the 'Axis of Evil' - evidence of God?
March 6, 2015 at 4:35 am (This post was last modified: March 6, 2015 at 4:38 am by robvalue.)
Yeah, but I've recently become an expert in "Single Harmonics", since you started talking about it, and that's all clearly wrong. Because god did it. Oh wait, you said god did it already?
[I could probably learn to understand that stuff eventually :p Maybe. It's been a while since my degree.]
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