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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Long ago we already knew that the bible was a bunch of nonsense
The great flood DID NOT happen - and we can PROVE that one.
WE have complete records of the Egyptian Civilization from well before the christian creation - to today - without interruption
IF a great flood did happen - there would have been an end to ALL civilizations - and only jews from the five on the ark - at one time in history - never happened.
AS far as those who who claim that they do no believe the bible literally - but morally - the god of the bible would be considered tHE WORST mass murderer of children and infants in history if he could be true - but he cannot be - the claims of the religion regarding the god -cannot be true
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 1:23 pm
(January 8, 2012 at 12:53 pm)chipan Wrote: and you believe life put itself together. you can make anything sound crazy if you word it right.
Sounds like magic, what religion holds this as doctrine?
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 3:07 pm
ThormM Wrote:IF a great flood did happen - there would have been an end to ALL civilizations - and only jews from the five on the ark - at one time in history - never happened.
i don't think you know the bible. noah was not father of the Jews, Abraham was.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 3:44 pm
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(January 8, 2012 at 10:40 am)chipan Wrote: i'm not talking about any of that. how about after all the expansion once the universe is at it's state and the stars around the universe are created, how did light from those stars 40 billion lightyears away reach us?
There aren't stars from 40 billion years in any direction that's viisble to us from the earth.
The farthest source of light (a galaxy) that we can see is just over 13 billion light years away (something like 13.2 billion LY away).
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 4:25 pm
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(January 8, 2012 at 3:07 pm)chipan Wrote: ThormM Wrote:IF a great flood did happen - there would have been an end to ALL civilizations - and only jews from the five on the ark - at one time in history - never happened.
i don't think you know the bible. noah was not father of the Jews, Abraham was.
Yes he knows that, but he is not claiming otherwise. All he is saying is if there was a great flood, there would only be Jews left alive, so there would only be jews now.
And chip, please read up on evolution. Nowhere in the theory of evolution does it say that "life put itself together". Life originated as the result of various chemical reactions which formed amino acids and then proteins and then into single celled organisms. The better adapted of these survived, and due to increased competition aswell as other factors, multi-celled organisms developed ( through cell division, before you try and argue some crackpot argument that all this is impossible). Life separated into plants and animals ( fish*, as this happened in water). Animal life then went onto land, where fish evolved into the various classes of animal we have today. Doesn't this sound a lot more likely than "some all-powerful being made it all appear out of thin air".
*by fish, I mean animals that live in water.
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 4:53 pm
(January 8, 2012 at 10:40 am)chipan Wrote: i'm not talking about any of that. how about after all the expansion once the universe is at it's state and the stars around the universe are created, how did light from those stars 40 billion lightyears away reach us?
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 8:31 pm
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(January 8, 2012 at 3:07 pm)chipan Wrote: [quote=ThormM] IF a great flood did happen - there would have been an end to ALL civilizations - and only jews from the five on the ark - at one time in history - never happened.
i don't think you know the bible. noah was not father of the Jews, Abraham was.
Studies have shown that people who do not believe the religions generally know the scripture of those religions better than the believers. I have not said anything about Abraham - I am referring to the MYTH of the great flood - and what would have HAD to result if it HAD happened - and the fact that it DID NOT HAPPEN.
THe problem with the MYTH of the great flood is that if it had happened - there would have been a point in the history of the world when ALL civilizations would have ended -drowned - and all people TODAY would have had to have been from the bloodline of Noah. THAT did not happen. WE have records of a number of civilizations - Egypt among them - that were unaffected by such a flood.
THe great flood is established to be a MYTH - a fabrication
Once you determine that a part of a so called PERFECT INERRANT text - is NOT true - you call ALL of it into question. It can no longer be said that it is entirely true - so its truth rests on the proof OUTSIDE of the text itself that verifies the text.
While it is NOT unusual for a fiction writer to include real places and events into otherwise fictional writings - the fact that London does exist - in no way verifies that James Bond, Sherlock Holmes - or Harry Potter - were in any way real.
AS far as the professors of religion - it is NOT The duty of the government to perpetuate a LIE - in any way. It is the duty of the government to protect its people AGAINST those that would perpetuate the lie.
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 8:51 pm
(January 8, 2012 at 12:13 am)chipan Wrote: source?
source for these Minimalist?
houseofcantor Wrote:What if there just ain't no god? Either it's sola fides, or you're talking out your ass.
actually, these are facts that light can be slowed down. they have slowed it down in a lab too.
And light from the core of the sun takes a grip of time (some huge number like a million years) to get to the surface. God did it?
It's looking for the needle in the haystack to prove that the haystack is made of needles. Can't you see this? If god was so bloody obvious, the cat would be in science already - he ain't, ergo, no god. This is not multivariable calculus, here.
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 8:55 pm
(January 8, 2012 at 3:44 pm)TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote: (January 8, 2012 at 10:40 am)chipan Wrote: i'm not talking about any of that. how about after all the expansion once the universe is at it's state and the stars around the universe are created, how did light from those stars 40 billion lightyears away reach us?
There aren't stars from 40 billion years in any direction that's viisble to us from the earth.
The farthest source of light (a galaxy) that we can see is just over 13 billion light years away (something like 13.2 billion LY away).
In case it's not apparent to chipan - that galaxy appears to us now as being 13.2 billion light years away, however, we are seeing it where it WAS billions of years ago, not where it is now.
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 9:11 pm
(January 8, 2012 at 12:13 am)chipan Wrote: source?
source for these Minimalist?
You asking for proof? Damn it! Proof your sky-daddy is real before going around asking for proofs, hypocrite.
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