Christians : my problem with Christianity, some questions.

[Anomalocaris]

. . . to simply refer to God is to speak of the Father.

I don't know man. Calling someone you can't physically see, "father" reminds me of all those kids who have daddy issues. And you see the path most of those kids wind up on.

When I say The President... He... Him... Who am I speaking of, All of them? or the man in charge?

Again God is a title and it is correct to address a person holding a title by his title. In Jewish and Christian tradition to simply refer to God is to speak of the Father.

And if you were in a room with multiple presidents, would you use "the president" to refer to all of them at once?

Appearently God is the title for a committee. Actually it seems to be more like a Roman triumvirate. The difference is each roman triumvir actualy has to put in public appearances, and actually needs a pedigree and some track record of civil service to those whom he propose to lord over. No failed carpenter claiming to be the son another allledged triumvir who is also never seen by the public and only alledgedly speaks through intermediaries such as drich and GC unconfirmably in dreams and fantasies could ever qualify.

So it appears "the God" is a rather shabby counterfeit version of the end point of total collapse of oligarchic republican government.

[Mudhammam]

HELLO ATHEIST FORUM MEMBER! I like all of your comments! I was just telling my girlfriend, "That atheist forum member is really wise. He says a lot of stuff I have never heard before."

Of course, I'm talking in Drich's language, by which apparently by the atheist forum member I mean everyone here (with the exception Drich and his clan of ghost whisperers), even though I insist there is one atheist forum member (title!).

[WinterHold]

[quote='professor' pid='904986' dateline='1427112668']
no one (because all of us have missed the mark) will EVER be justified by the good they do (thinking our good outweighs our bad) because the justice of God is perfect.
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I totally agree with you ; actually god mentioned this in the Quran :

[quote]( 45 ) And if Allah were to impose blame on the people for what they have earned, He would not leave upon the earth any creature. But He defers them for a specified term. And when their time comes, then indeed Allah has ever been, of His servants, Seeing.
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh[/quote]

[quote]Therefore, only one without fault could live here and merit Heaven.
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Here, I disagree. You in this situation, neglected the mercy of god & how great it is ; god's mercy can engulf sinners too, to save them & send them to heaven.

[quote]And there has only been one without sin from all time.
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To me, that is god. Indeed. If you may, are you referring to jesus peace be upon him, or God ?

[quote]No one with Adam's blood in them can do it (the blood comes from the father), therefore God Himself had to become a man to ransom those who want Him.
The blood that was in Jesus was the blood of God.[/quote]

Why would god, dishonor himself in such manor ? being god, he knows what happened, what's happening and what will happen, he knows and realizes every feeling -including death-, hence he was the one who created death, created pain too.

There were prophets who got assassinated & killed, many men stood bravely and didn't just go through death, but also through torture and mockery for life.

How could be just, if he would allow the sacrifice of somebody else, to justify my forgiveness ? yet ; I need to sacrifice (personally) in order to get that forgiveness. I, my own soul, not the soul of somebody else ; even if it was god himself.

Then, god wouldn't be just at all. How would he equalize the sinners, with the saints ? yet, whoever sacrifices his/her comfort, and does good in the name of god, and be patient on pain in the name of god, shall be the one getting the forgiveness.

Please, correct me professor if I was wrong.

[quote]Just as we are multi-part- body, soul(mind) and spirit (breath of life).
So IS God.
In the beginning God (Elohim -spell?/ PLURAL word) made Man. He said "Let US make man .."
The Father God correlates to our mind.
The body of God correlates to Jesus- the WORD.
The spirit of God correlates to the Holy Spirit.
It said the Word became flesh.
Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, in much the same way as God made Adam or Eve.
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That defies what humans discovered, that god made the heavens & earth before man ; a fact that the Quran also asserted.

But why -or who brought the idea- of that god is sub-parts ? this is insulting to god, because it shows that each of his parts is a separate entity. Which defies the message of Abraham peace be upon him, which stated clearly that god is one entity.

In the case you mentioned, we actually have 3 gods not 1 ; 3 gods with common interests. Because the body, when it got crossed, didn't get aid from neither the father nor the spirit.

In islam, god has 99 adjectives & descriptions, like the "Merciful" and the "Light" ...etc, but all refer to the same entity, the "light" for example is not a separate body part that has its own mentality; that can be reborn into a human then die ... etc.

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[quote='Drich' pid='905021' dateline='1427117439']

[quote] It reaaly doesnt matter if this were a "trap." The answers would be the same.
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Good ^^.

[quote]My view of islam is 'Muhammad' made a lot of prophesies, most of which turned out false: http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/f...hecies.htm

As such All of the teachings acredited to him fall under the catagory of False teaching from a false prophet, so it really does not matter which brach of islam you belong to the net result is the same....

Now that that is out of our systems lets move on.[/quote]

Okay.

[quote]If it is God, then whatever God decides to do is pure is it not? For Christians God is the standard. This means He gets to do whatever He wants. He does not live by standards Eg: There is a universal standard of 'pureity or goodness' that God must meet, to be judge pure by man. [/quote]

Such a god, that has no code of ethics like the heathen gods, is indeed not worthy of respect or warship.

Indeed god does what he wants. But the respect wasn't injected from the fact of him having super abilities, the respect is forced & injected, from the law of ethics he wrote upon himself before writing it on humans.

Yes, nobody questions his ability in doing what he wants. The Quran asserted it millions of times. Yet what he wanted, and what he chose, is that law of ethics, that universal standard, that he deemed anybody who denies it with hell.

The same standard, that when humans broke, they turned into countries & armies armed to the teeth to corrupt earth & burn with atomic weapons.

[quote]If God has to meet a standard then He can not be the alpha and Omega (The beginning and end to all things.) Because the standard of pureity man has identified is actually greater than God. if God is to be judged 'pure or righteous/Un pure un righteous' by man then he no longer qualifies as God.[/quote]

Not if god himself created it. God is then greater than that standard, since he is the one who wrote it & created it out of nothing.
Yet, it's a fact that today, many people do judge god of not being righteous, hence others don't even believe he exists. Then how would your concept applies ?

God is pure, because nobody created that code of ethics but him, no other deity deserves worship but him.

[quote]Do you not understand the terms: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are not names, but titles do you not?

Meaning these are the roles these three deities of God suport. God the Father enacts the traditional role of a father in a traditional Jewish house hold. Then God the Son enacts the role of a first born Son is said house, a the Holy Spirit is a Unseen intermetary between the Father and us.[/quote]

Exactly, descriptions, or adjectives. Which were negated, by the fact of the body gets separated & reborn under the name Jesus, as a human.

[quote]There is nothing concerning reproduction in the God head.
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Exactly. Though, it was again enforced on Christianity, by stating that he did reproduce via Marry peace be upon her.

[quote]. So I guess the next question from you would be why does God follow the behaivor of a Jewish house hold?

If this is your question then I would ask you identify which came first? If you said God you would be right. Therefore it can be observed that if God came first it is the Jewish house hold that follows the behaivor of God in it's relationships between Father and Son.

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Exactly. I actually agree.

[professor]

In your above post, what was omitted is the Justice of God.
Islam focuses on the mercy of God but forgets that He is perfectly just, therefore what Islam presents is false.

Perfect justice DEMANDS a price to be paid. NOT over looked.
You can not pay it.
No one but God could pay it. Each if us have our own load of guilt that we can't pay.

We all stand guilty before the Judge, and the Judge predetermined, before time began, to take the hit we deserve.
We can say, "Bullshit" and take the hit ourselves, in our pride and rebellion OR take the pardon God offers.
Those are the terms of Perfect Justice.
There are no other terms.
Every one of Satan's false religious systems are based on some performance standard, mixed in with hocus -pocus.
Because he KNOWS our goodness is as menstruating rags to God and will be rejected.

It is God who made us 3 in One- just as He is.
Do you not have a mind?
Is your mind your body?
Mind and body are not the same thing, yet they are you.
You are one person.
Your mind directs your hand, just as Father God directs His Word Jesus- the manifestation of God.

[The Grand Nudger]

So now something about being a human being is both unrespectable and dishonorable (no reason offered in either case)...jesus christ Atlas.....comments such as these, offered without having been examined critically, are what -breeds- anti-theists like myself.

If god had a kid that somehow makes it difficult to respect him, and if god wore a human meatsuit, this is somehow dishonorable. How do you manage in your day to day life, surrounded by human meatsuits with kids? But sure, If you'd rather have people answer your concerns by reference to djinn....be my guest. I;m sure you'll get an actual answer...and that no one would ever bullshit you about fairies and ghosts....

[Chad32]

Perfect justice demands that a price be paid, but it would also demand a limit on that price. Since you can't commit crimes eternally on this earth, it is unjust to punish someone for eternity. Some christians like to act as if it's eternal punishment, or no punishment, which is a strawman argument.

[professor]

Chad, that was very good.
I do not have an answer to that concept though. I leave it to God.

[Chad32]

I know christians have different thoughts on hell, but the mainstream view is eternal suffering in fire, so when someone mention's god's "perfect" justice, I go off of that view.

There is no real answer. the idea of hell is wish fulfillment on the part of people who wanted to see their hated enemies suffer.

[The Grand Nudger]

You're sinning against an eternal authority Chad.

[Chad32]

I can't help it. I can either speak out openly about my thoughts, or keep those thoughts hidden inside. the thoughts themselves don't change.