How to save your children from hell

[Spooky]

I think Drich 's so much he doesn't have enough oxygen getting to the brain...

[urlawyer]

I agree with Drich, his god is an asshole but the bible does state that god is love. Urlawyer, Drich is a Calvinist and does not believe in an omnibenevolent deity.

While I'm not too acquainted with Calvanist principles, I find it even more worrisome that he would worship a god who isn't omnibenevolent. A god like that would be prone to barbaric shows of power, a lack of empathy for his creations, meaningless slaughtering of things he didn't like... actually this might make his god probably the most in tune with his holy scripture.
However, if that is the case, I can't see why anyone would worship him except for fear and hopelessness. No wonder Satan stepped to god, I would too. Maybe we should all do the same and revolt against a tyrannical god?

[Joods]

Oh, well now I feel kind of silly arguing with song lyrics... :|

Nah, you're fine. But now you know why his sentence made no sense
At least there's a reason for this line, but as for the rest of what he writes... that's still up for debate.

[Drich]

1) there are so many things wrong with this statement I don't know where to begin...

In your estimation when did God create Hell? Use Genesis and point to one of the seven days listed... Just about every single account of Hell shows it to be the absents of creation, the death of it, or the place where the created is destroyed.
(The grave, the pit, the lake of fire, eternal darkness.) to me hell seems to be the absence of creation, not part of it.

This I can agree with. God is depicted quite frequently doing loveless things. Like leveling whole cities and committing mass genocide.

now youre getting it!
Not everyone wants to be loved by God.

Third what makes you think we are all God's creation? The bible only ever says God created Adam, and from Adam God took a rib and then produced Eve, every other being after that was a reproduction of what God initially created.

Job 10:8-12
Your hands fashioned and made me, and now you have destroyed me altogether. Remember that you have made me like clay; and will you return me to the dust? Did you not pour me out like milk and curdle me like cheese? You clothed me with skin and flesh, and knit me together with bones and sinews. You have granted me life and steadfast love, and your care has preserved my spirit.[/quote]do you not know in this passage Job was speaking directly about Himself? The orginal intent of this passage was not to establish that everyone was purpose built by God.

Ephesians 4:24
And to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.

because... We are REproductions of A&E, and they were literally fashioned by the Hand of God.

Psalms 22:9-10
Yet you are he who took me from the womb; you made me trust you at my mother's breasts. On you was I cast from my birth, and from my mother's womb you have been my God.

again see what I said about your passage in job. Here David is lementing in song about his recent sin with Bathsheba, not describing a God who hand makes everyone.

These are only just a few.

maybe this time list a few that supports exactly what you said.

I would beg to differ. Because of god's plan, everything is laid out for us and no matter what, we're going to end up where we're going to end up. This life would then be a pointless "showing" that we're what God knew we were all along.

maybe to God... But not to you.

That is four wrong statements for four charges stated. That's a new record

Indeed
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Double indeed.

[TubbyTubby]

now youre getting it!

Now you're losing it more like.

What on earth was this post about, quoting yourself and then urlawyer then scripture. Fuck, it's all over the place Drippy.
Go have a big fat spliff and come back later and try again.

[urlawyer]

1) there are so many things wrong with this statement I don't know where to begin...

In your estimation when did God create Hell? Use Genesis and point to one of the seven days listed... Just about every single account of Hell shows it to be the absents of creation, the death of it, or the place where the created is destroyed.
(The grave, the pit, the lake of fire, eternal darkness.) to me hell seems to be the absence of creation, not part of it.

This I can agree with. God is depicted quite frequently doing loveless things. Like leveling whole cities and committing mass genocide.

now youre getting it!
Not everyone wants to be loved by God.

You seem to have jumbled up yours and my statements here.
To your first quote, I said that it was a meaningless assertion since god still allows for there to be a hell.
And my first quote here was to you saying that the bible doesn't mention god is all-loving (to which I say bullshit since god IS love. 1 John 4:8)

Now that that's cleared up I'll respond to your new statement.
So you're saying that god did all those terrible acts because people didn't want to be loved by god so the only other option was to mercilessly destroy them all?

Third what makes you think we are all God's creation? The bible only ever says God created Adam, and from Adam God took a rib and then produced Eve, every other being after that was a reproduction of what God initially created.

Job 10:8-12
Your hands fashioned and made me, and now you have destroyed me altogether. Remember that you have made me like clay; and will you return me to the dust? Did you not pour me out like milk and curdle me like cheese? You clothed me with skin and flesh, and knit me together with bones and sinews. You have granted me life and steadfast love, and your care has preserved my spirit.

do you not know in this passage Job was speaking directly about Himself? The orginal intent of this passage was not to establish that everyone was purpose built by God.

It's funny how you claim to know the original intent of those who wrote books thousands of years ago. Why does your own interpretation hold so much more water than the countless others?

Ephesians 4:24
And to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.

because... We are REproductions of A&E, and they were literally fashioned by the Hand of God.

So everyone born after Adam and Eve, god has no say in whether they're born or not?

Psalms 22:9-10
Yet you are he who took me from the womb; you made me trust you at my mother's breasts. On you was I cast from my birth, and from my mother's womb you have been my God.

again see what I said about your passage in job. Here David is lementing in song about his recent sin with Bathsheba, not describing a God who hand makes everyone.

But while he laments is he not talking about a god who has a say in such events?

These are only just a few.

maybe this time list a few that supports exactly what you said.

Which is what I did, you just don't like my interpretation and application of them.

I would beg to differ. Because of god's plan, everything is laid out for us and no matter what, we're going to end up where we're going to end up. This life would then be a pointless "showing" that we're what God knew we were all along.

maybe to God... But not to you.

Wow don't I feel lucky that god let me show how much of a jerk off I am to him instead of putting preventative plans in place.

That is four wrong statements for four charges stated. That's a new record

Indeed

Double indeed.

It's funny how I can edit and type more accurately with two thumbs than you can with ten fingers on a computer.

[Joods]

now youre getting it!

Now you're losing it more like.

What on earth was this post about, quoting yourself and then urlawyer then scripture. Fuck, it's all over the place Drippy.
Go have a big fat spliff and come back later and try again.

That's his goal... to twist words, mis-quote people and then get everyone all riled up with trying to explain to him what he did wrong. Classic bs artist. Sits back and laughs when people are spending way more time than they should on trying to fix the shit he intentionally got wrong.

Which is why I no longer am subscribing to his twisted word salad. If it can be kept to a minimum, then I'll respond. But what I've noticed is that he loves to quote from several threads at once, thus confusing anyone else who isn't completely following the thread and can scrutinize his posts the way they need to be.
Edit: He loves to quote from several POSTS within the same thread, at once.

He's exhausting to listen to, honestly.

[urlawyer]

Which begs the question as to whether he actually believes what he's selling. Someone genuine wouldn't be trying to twist words like he does, they would try to convince people based on the product's own merits.

[Joods]

Which begs the question as to whether he actually believes what he's selling. Someone genuine wouldn't be trying to twist words like he does, they would try to convince people based on the product's own merits.

He IS crazy, he believes in what he says. Either that or he's got an agenda with just about every thread he posts in: To start out on topic, but eventually get things shaken up and so distorted that a thread dies simply because it is no longer feasible to debate with him anymore and it's been dragged so far off topic, with several pages of complete and utter nonsense that it's impossible to get it back on track.
And apparently he's accomplished this goal because you see where we are at now vs. discussing the OP. Instead of discussing the merits of the post and the frustration that breakman is having with another family crossing a boundary, we are now discussing how twisted drippy is and how he's not even staying on point anymore.

The main focus should have been on other parents crossing a line and forcing their beliefs on someone else's child and how this creates a problem. It's no longer about that and we call ALL see why. There is, to the best of my knowledge, NOTHING in the bible that even remotely states that one family has a right to inject their personal religious beliefs onto another family's child. In addition, this other family had no right to "sign" a non-relative, minor child's name to anything - bible or not, without the express consent of the parent's of said child.

[urlawyer]

...mother of god-who-doesn't-exist you're right. We need to do something about this.
Could we just get people to start ignoring him?