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[Napoléon]

Hey, nothing like a nice insult to display your butthurt. You're funny when you're touchy like this, though I doubt it's intentional.

If in doubt play the butthurt card.

Nobody's butthurt. This is a bloody car thread, I'm not going to be butthurt over a disagreement on a damn car thread. I just think you're talking out of your arse.

Also, I never insulted you. I said you would be intentionally dense, and you were. I never said you actually were dense full stop as a person. That you insist on being so dense now just justifies my initial suspicion.

Seriously, because a lot of people think a certain way doesn't verify the truth of the thinking. Whether one is a belief and the other is an opinion is irrelevant to the point, and you're certainly smart enough to know that ... or so I had assumed. At any rate, keep digging. I'm sure you'll impress someone.

Cars don't have personality, people do.

My initial point just went straight over your head, that or you just flat out misinterpreted me. If there's a reason I keep responding it's because I don't think you interpreted me correctly. But yes, I shall 'keep digging'.

1. I never said 'just because a lot of people think a certain way' means something is truthful. I never made any claims about truth. I said MYSELF it is a subjective opinion. Is your reading comprehension that lacking, or do you want me to quote it for you?

2. There is a massive distinction given the context of this discussion in belief and opinion. You invoked the 'appeal to popularity', as though I was making claims on the basis a lot of people disagree with you. Not my point at all.

You say it's bullshit to apply personality to cars. All I said was a lot of people would disagree and in essence it's as much a turn of phrase as anything else. I think most people would get my basic point, and it's most certainly not that cars have actual personalities. Hence why I said you were being pedantic. You went and took it completely literally however.

I'm done digging.

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I agree. With a caveat. I think the idea of new brands having a following like 100 year old brands is a little ridiculous. In 50 years, if Tesla survives and propagates, it'll have a following just the same. For kids that will grow up with electric cars being the majority of the vehicles on the road, they will view petrol vehicles like we view the big block 427 that is not even remotely feasible today in the world of 1.3L turbocharged engines that output the same power. They will be the awesome things of a bygone generation.

That's my contention though. I just don't think they will. I don't think people will buy into electric cars the same way we do into petrol cars now. Don't get me wrong, I still envision plenty of people who will be passionate about transport, and electric cars in general. But I can't see there being a great general interest from 'petrol-heads' or the electric equivalent. I don't think there will ever be an equivalent.

But that's just my opinion.

Not to mention that as the electric car becomes more of a necessity, the major brands will have their own. Already Porsche, Ferrari, and McLaren have full hybrid hypercars available, as you probably saw on Top Gear. The electric range on them is like 8 miles, but the point is that they are 200mph hypercars that have electric motors in them.

Efficiency and charge is the major issue. For a vehicle to have the proper utility, it needs to be able to accomplish a road trip. I should be able to drive 12 hours straight or I should be able to recharge in a time period not appreciably longer than it takes me to pump gas. Electric cars will be the playthings of people who can afford a road trip car and a daily driver car until that happens.

Or, alternatively, America will develop long range mass transit infrastructure as a result of electric cars becoming popular. Wishful thinking...

That's true on the other major brands getting involved. I think a lot of companies are also focusing on driverless cars. It may well be that the advent of the electric car coincides with driverless cars. In which case, I think that only lends support to my hypothesis above.

Who knows though, in the future anything could happen.

[Drich]

Nah, millions of people believe in deities, too.

I fucking knew you'd use that line. Like it's even remotely the same thing.

Personality in an inanimate object or mechanical contrivance is projection from the owner, in my opinion. Certainly not inherent.

Nobody said otherwise. What is undeniable is that people buy into brands. The idea of a car being more than just a machine. Lots of people join car clubs and associations for this very reason. I doubt electric car companies will have the same sort of following and loyalty in 50 years as what car companies do now. The basic point I was making is that petrol cars promote more of a following. It has more of a history and people just plain prefer the use of an actual engine producing a real noise. Sure you can make noises similarly with computers and such, but it's not the same and people know that. But whatever.

I'm razzin' you. Lighten up, Francis.

... and the word you're looking for is pedantry.

/pedantry

TIL.

You and I agree napo, Parker is an out of touch hackey sacking hippy who wouldn't know a good car if it ran him over..

Oh, and about the electric cars being crap and car clubs and the like..

[Thumpalumpacus]

I just think you're talking out of your arse.

I've already told you I was taking the piss. What part of that didn't you understand?

[Cyberman]

The BBC is planning to continue the show without Clarkson.

There's talk of Chris Twatting Evans taking over. Just let that sink in for a moment. I only hope the pathologically talentless ginger nonentity is telling the truth that he turned it down. I'm not much of a Top Gear fan myself, but I do like Clarkson in some things. That someone even offered the job to Billie Piper's ex makes me feel personally insulted by proxy.

[Cyberman]

I once heard the noise a prius made without using the petrol engine... awesome! Loved it!
It was just the wheels rolling on the ground. That's when it made sense to me that they would generate artificial noise on such cars - pedestrian awareness.

Apparently, there was an experiment a century or so ago to fit trains with pneumatic tyres. It made them faster, less prone to wear, more comfortable to ride, and much quieter. So quiet, in fact, that deaths on the rails skyrocketed because people couldn't hear the train coming until it was too late and the experiment had to be abandoned.

[pocaracas]

People are the problem, it seems!

The automated car can remove that problem, at the driver's side.
The pedestrian, on the other hand... :-s

My brother had the idea that the cars of the future could be fully automated and fully community owned, that means you could get on any car and ask the car to take you where you wanted then just leave it there for whoever would need it.
In a city environment, where there's an abundance of cars, that would make sense.
Plus, the automated car would not be prone to road-rage nor rushing home to watch some football game, so accidents should become reduced.

I don't see the community car as viable, because different people have different needs. I need a car with three children's seats. I know a guy who needs 6 such seats.
Although.... the absence of accidents could lead those kids seats to become obsolete...
The future is full of possibilities.

[Anomalocaris]

Nobody said otherwise. What is undeniable is that people buy into brands. The idea of a car being more than just a machine. Lots of people join car clubs and associations for this very reason. I doubt electric car companies will have the same sort of following and loyalty in 50 years as what car companies do now. The basic point I was making is that petrol cars promote more of a following. It has more of a history and people just plain prefer the use of an actual engine producing a real noise. Sure you can make noises similarly with computers and such, but it's not the same and people know that. But whatever.




TIL.

Projecting the abysmal failure of English automotive electrical industry to electric cars in general?

Do horses and carriages have bigger following now than gasoline automobiles?

And if they do, would you rather be the idiot who joins in the following?

[popeyespappy]

Assuming a horse produces 18 kilos of methane annually would they be better or worse for the environment than a car?

[Anomalocaris]

A better question might be do the superior communication and mobility facilitated by the automobile outweigh their greater impact on the environment for the purpose of greater good of humanity?

[popeyespappy]

Well I don't plan on trading in my pickup for a horse anytime soon, but the answer to the original question appears to be better. According to this article the average car produces 8,320 pounds of CO2 a year. This one says methane is more than 20x more effective than CO2 as a greenhouse gas. 18 x 2.2 x 20 = 792 so your average car causes 10x more greenhouse effect than your average horse.