Atheists and Feminists at Yale also tried to get Ayaan Hirsi Ali banned from speaking

[Cephus]

That's because most of the radical feminists who pull this kind of crap aren't for women's rights, they're just ardent man haters.

So far I haven't seen many of these mythical man hating radical feminists. I see stupid a pc overreaction 

Then you haven't paid much attention, sorry.

[DeistPaladin]

Many Atheist scholars, from Harris to Hitchens have detailed how barbaric and evil Islam is; but Hirsi IMO is more precise in specific regards to Islam.


Thoughts? 

Hirsi also has much more experience, having grown up Muslim and being an ex-muslim herself. 

But I can't say I'm surprised by the reaction to her among certain liberal groups who have developed a strange love-affair with Islam. It's "strange" because I can't think of any social issue where Islam and western liberalism agree. It's an odd couple, to say the least. I'm sure everyone has seen the Bill Mahar episode where Harris said liberals were unwilling to speak out against Islamic theocracy, whereupon Affleck flew off the handle and started screaming Harris was a "racist", thus proving Harris' point. 

This issue is possibly the most divisive among liberals, some of whom take a rational view and others who treat Islam as a sacred cow. The latter group call me a "bigot" while I call them "pig-headed, coexist-fetishistic demagogues". 

Are you a pig-headed, coexist-fetishistic demagogue? Know the ten warning signs (seriously, real ones I've encountered):

1. You think "Islam" is a race.
2. You argue that any criticism of Islam is racially motivated.
3. You think Harris, Dawkins, et al are "white supremacists" even though you can't quote anything from them that indicates such.
4. You assert that Harris, Dawkins, et al don't criticize any religion "even close to the extent" that they criticize Islam.
5. You argue that religion (or Islam specifically) is never to blame for any sectarian violence done in its name. The cause is always poltical, social, economic or, if you can't find any scapegoat, just plain due to "certain bad people". 
6. When people have to hide or are killed for "blasphemy", you suggest that it's the fault of the victim for not being "more sensitive" or "abusing their right to free speech". 
7. You want to censor critics of religion or even jail them in order to promote "sensitivity". 
8. You think making fun of Islam or criticizing Islam is the equivalent to calling for the persecution of Muslims everywhere. You even draw allusions to white supremacist and Nazi persecutions of Jewish people. 
9. You shout down critics of religion as "bigots" or, failing that, straw man them as people who believe that religion is "always" to blame for all suffering in the world. You insist on this straw man even after being corrected. 
10. You think that cultures which kill gay people or treat women as chattel are equal to cultures that seek to promote equality and tolerance for sexual orientation. 

[Minimalist]

who treat Islam as a sacred cow.

Sacred cow shit, maybe.

[Dystopia]

So far I haven't seen many of these mythical man hating radical feminists. I see stupid a pc overreaction 

Then you haven't paid much attention, sorry.

I think the feminazi vision may be anglo-saxon centered - I have never encountered cases of those women in my country.

Quite honestly, with so many women describing themselves as feminists I don't want to draw conclusions (my girlfriend is a feminist and she thinks nuking Islam out of existence is a good choice - Literally) - What troubles me here is not feminists or feminism but the fact there are atheists and secularists trying to censor free speech.

You want to censor critics of religion or even jail them in order to promote "sensitivity".

I hate this one, the other points are idiotic but I wouldn't mind their mere existence as long as people didn't wish to jail me. 

[The Valkyrie]

So far I haven't seen many of these mythical man hating radical feminists. I see stupid a pc overreaction 

Then you haven't paid much attention, sorry.

There are certainly rabid man haters in the feminist movement.

Just as there are rabid woman haters in the mens' rights movement.

In both cases, "some" isn't representative of the majority.

[Cephus]

Then you haven't paid much attention, sorry.

I think the feminazi vision may be anglo-saxon centered - I have never encountered cases of those women in my country.

Quite honestly, with so many women describing themselves as feminists I don't want to draw conclusions (my girlfriend is a feminist and she thinks nuking Islam out of existence is a good choice - Literally) - What troubles me here is not feminists or feminism but the fact there are atheists and secularists trying to censor free speech.

I'm sure you're right about that, it does tend to be a bunch of women with first-world problems who think they're special little snowflakes.  I've also noticed that these people really want to bring everything they believe under a single umbrella.  You have feminists who think that fighting racism is now feminist.  It's not.  Feminism has a meaning and pretending it now refers to everything that they do is absurd.  Those idiots in Atheism+ did the same thing, declaring things that had nothing whatsoever to do with atheism, now part of atheism.  It's absurd.  I also take your point about people trying to censor in the name of "safe spaces", of course they don't want anyone to stop what they have to say, but if they disagree with you, there will be hell to pay.

The sad thing is that a lot of self-professed liberal feminists seem to think that criticizing Islam at all is somehow racist, even though Islam is a religion, not a race.  These people aren't too bright.

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Then you haven't paid much attention, sorry.

There are certainly rabid man haters in the feminist movement.

Just as there are rabid woman haters in the mens' rights movement.

In both cases, "some" isn't representative of the majority.

True, but when it comes to the radical end of the feminist tree, man-haters are very strongly over-represented and those are the people who are the most vocal and getting all of the media attention.  Just like in religion, the fundamentalists might not be important numerically but they are the craziest of the bunch and the ones to really be worried about.

[Rev. Rye]

Honestly, given that she's also a member of American Enterprise Institute, a think tank whose other members include Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Jonah Goldberg, and Dinesh D'Souza, it's clear there's some legitimate reason for the backlash against her.

The way I see it, she tends to vacillate between legitimate criticisms of Islam (from the serious issues regarding Islam and their attitudes towards women and society) to paranoid rantings about Islam (in her days in Holland, she paved the way for Geert Wilders, a man who believes Muslims/Arabs are emigrating to Europe for the express purpose of turning it into a theocracy like the Middle East and the political establishment of Europe is actively making it happen for some reason.)

[The Valkyrie]

I think the feminazi vision may be anglo-saxon centered - I have never encountered cases of those women in my country.

Quite honestly, with so many women describing themselves as feminists I don't want to draw conclusions (my girlfriend is a feminist and she thinks nuking Islam out of existence is a good choice - Literally) - What troubles me here is not feminists or feminism but the fact there are atheists and secularists trying to censor free speech.

I'm sure you're right about that, it does tend to be a bunch of women with first-world problems who think they're special little snowflakes.  I've also noticed that these people really want to bring everything they believe under a single umbrella.  You have feminists who think that fighting racism is now feminist.  It's not.  Feminism has a meaning and pretending it now refers to everything that they do is absurd.  Those idiots in Atheism+ did the same thing, declaring things that had nothing whatsoever to do with atheism, now part of atheism.  It's absurd.  I also take your point about people trying to censor in the name of "safe spaces", of course they don't want anyone to stop what they have to say, but if they disagree with you, there will be hell to pay.

The sad thing is that a lot of self-professed liberal feminists seem to think that criticizing Islam at all is somehow racist, even though Islam is a religion, not a race.  These people aren't too bright.

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There are certainly rabid man haters in the feminist movement.

Just as there are rabid woman haters in the mens' rights movement.

In both cases, "some" isn't representative of the majority.

True, but when it comes to the radical end of the feminist tree, man-haters are very strongly over-represented and those are the people who are the most vocal and getting all of the media attention.  Just like in religion, the fundamentalists might not be important numerically but they are the craziest of the bunch and the ones to really be worried about.

And, of course, the most hate full men in their own group don't get media attention because, as I've heard stated, boys will be boys, but women get the publicity in the media because they're examples of the bitches out there.

Yes, I've heard and encountered just that reaction.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Then you haven't paid much attention, sorry.

There are certainly rabid man haters in the feminist movement.

Just as there are rabid woman haters in the mens' rights movement.

In both cases, "some" isn't representative of the majority.

Where's my kudos button?!