Is Allah simply testing the Palestinains?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Israel is painted as the enemy and the bad guy and Hamas/Palestine the good guys so they get support from around the world.

Whew, that's a relief.  I mean, it's good that Israel isn't getting support from around the world and all those thousands of tonnes of munitions are getting to the Palestinians.  This must be why, when tempers flare up, the Israeli dead so vastly outnumber the Palestinian dead.
Boru

[Cato]

Nothing happens except by God's permission, but it doesn't mean everything he permits and wills he truly desires. 

And this is precisely why this character is a raging cunt; not to mention pathetically fucking useless.

[RobertE]

Israel is painted as the enemy and the bad guy and Hamas/Palestine the good guys so they get support from around the world.

Whew, that's a relief.  I mean, it's good that Israel isn't getting support from around the world and all those thousands of tonnes of munitions are getting to the Palestinians.  This must be why, when tempers flare up, the Israeli dead so vastly outnumber the Palestinian dead.
Boru

So, let us imagine Israel without the Iron dome then just for one moment. At the end of the day, I do have sympathy for the innocent Palestinians who are being indoctrinated by Hamas into believing that what they are doing is for the good of the people. You do know what "indoctrination", is I gather? As agnostics/atheists, we hate the idea of indoctrination, especially in Christianity. However, I fail to see how you only have sympathy for the Palestinians of Israel, and not those who are being murderered and starved in their tens of thousands in Yarmouk "Prison camp." If you can have sympathy for the innocents of Gaza, then please show this same sympathy towards those who are being treated like animals by ISIS, otherwise it is clear that you have an agenda.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

However, I fail to see how you only have sympathy for the Palestinians of Israel, and not those who are being murderered and starved in their tens of thousands in Yarmouk "Prison camp."

Who says I don't have sympathy for the people being systematically butchered in Yarmouk?  I have sympathy for anyone in that or a similar situation, but we were talking specifically about Israel.

 If you can have sympathy for the innocents of Gaza, then please show this same sympathy towards those who are being treated like animals by ISIS

Again, they have my sympathy.  But (also again) that wasn't what we were talking about.  Since you haven't brought it up in this particular thread, they you are clearly indifferent to the horrors perpetrated in Africa by al Shabaab and Boko Haram and AQIM.  Callous bastard.

otherwise it is clear that you have an agenda.

Of COURSE I have an agenda.  It is that Jewish Israelis and Muslim Israelis stop killing each other over mythological claims to the same piece of worthless ground.

Boru

[RobertE]

However, I fail to see how you only have sympathy for the Palestinians of Israel, and not those who are being murderered and starved in their tens of thousands in Yarmouk "Prison camp."

Who says I don't have sympathy for the people being systematically butchered in Yarmouk?  I have sympathy for anyone in that or a similar situation, but we were talking specifically about Israel.

 If you can have sympathy for the innocents of Gaza, then please show this same sympathy towards those who are being treated like animals by ISIS

Again, they have my sympathy.  But (also again) that wasn't what we were talking about.  Since you haven't brought it up in this particular thread, they you are clearly indifferent to the horrors perpetrated in Africa by al Shabaab and Boko Haram and AQIM.  Callous bastard.

otherwise it is clear that you have an agenda.

Boru

Of COURSE I have an agenda.  It is that Jewish Israelis and Muslim Israelis stop killing each other over mythological claims to the same piece of worthless ground.



The title of the thread is "Palestinians." That is clear enough for us I think. By the same token, my original post was about Israel AND Yarmouk where the Palestinians were beheaded by ISIS terrorists, however, you only addressed one point and that was about Israel ONLY. Secondly, I fail to see how Boko Haram, AQIM and Al Shabaab are relevant to this thread. It is clearly off-topic and as such, should be addressed in a "relevant", thread.

[Mudhammam]

Actually Israel is killing them willy-nilly and the non-existent fucking allah has nothing to do with it.

You should have been here in France when Israel retaliated against Hamas. There were manifestations against the Jews and Israel, Jewish shops were attacked in Paris, and yes, demonstrations in every major city in France.

Only a few days ago in Syria, many Palestinians were beheaded by ISIS and they are being treated even worse than the Israelis treat the Palestinians in Gaza. The total number of manifestations/demonstrations against ISIS in France amounted to a big fat zero. So, all in all, thanks to the media, Israel is painted as the enemy and the bad guy and Hamas/Palestine the good guys so they get support from around the world. My own opinion is this, I do feel sorry for the Palestinians, but if they want peace, then they should STOP voting for a terrorist organisation who does NOT give one single fuck about their own peoples welfare. People and liberals should stop with the anti-Israel already. By the same token, I am not saying that Israel is as white as snow in all of this, but it pisses me off to see people reacting like sheep and believe every single word of the liberal press, when they don't know a damn thing about Israel and the situation, apart from the usual "well, the land belongs to the Palestinians." Apart from that, they cannot develop the argument any further.

There probably is a degree of anti-Semitism involved but I'd also like to think that the different reactions towards Israel and Syria has to do with the fact that Israel is essentially a Western nation, backed and supported by the United States and Europe, and is (as it should be) held to a far higher standard in how she behaves.

[Minimalist]

So, nothing to say about what Isis did to the Palestinians then,

ISIS kills everyone who is not ISIS.  WTF do you want me to say?  They are barbaric islamic fucks who deserve to be exterminated.  IF you haven't noticed, no one has any influence over them.

What do you want to do?  Start a hashtag campaign?  #ISISaremeanies?

Only in the West are such utterly worthless PR stunts used by idiots who think their fucking opinion matters.  You'd be better off praying to some non-existent god....doesn't matter which one.

[RobertE]

So, nothing to say about what Isis did to the Palestinians then,

ISIS kills everyone who is not ISIS.  WTF do you want me to say?  They are barbaric islamic fucks who deserve to be exterminated.  IF you haven't noticed, no one has any influence over them.

What do you want to do?  Start a hashtag campaign?  #ISISaremeanies?

Only in the West are such utterly worthless PR stunts used by idiots who think their fucking opinion matters.  You'd be better off praying to some non-existent god....doesn't matter which one.

Everyone has the right to an opinion mate, whether you like it or not. If it is a hashtag, then so be it. What makes YOUR opinion more valid than any others? The pseudo-intellectual bs doesn't wash with me so, get off your high horse before you get a nose bleed.

[watchamadoodle]

However, there is one more verse, Quran 22:39, that I want to cite:
"To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged;- and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid;-"

So the Quran says that if Allah is unwilling or unable to protect you then you should fight. Is this verse an admission that Allah is a weak deity? I wish people would read their Qurans more instead of producing crap like this:

IMO, that verse is simply saying that Muslims have a right to defend themselves if attacked and Allah will aid them? I'm not sure if you misunderstood the verse of if I misunderstood the verse.

[ReptilianPeon]

However, there is one more verse, Quran 22:39, that I want to cite:
"To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged;- and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid;-"

So the Quran says that if Allah is unwilling or unable to protect you then you should fight. Is this verse an admission that Allah is a weak deity? I wish people would read their Qurans more instead of producing crap like this:

IMO, that verse is simply saying that Muslims have a right to defend themselves if attacked and Allah will aid them? I'm not sure if you misunderstood the verse of if I misunderstood the verse.  

It's possible that I'm misconstruing but my take is this: Shouldn't Allah protect the Ummah from persecution BEFORE it happens? If Allah was as strong as the Quran claims then it should follow that the believers will be protected, thus proving to the Kafir Allah exits and saving many lives because the believers will have no need to fight. What I think this verse is alluding to is another admission that Allah does not value human life.

P.S. Remember Quran 3:26 which I also quoted? Allah could easily protect the believers. Power is given and taken away to whom Allah pleases:
"Say: "O Allah! Lord of Power (And Rule), Thou givest power to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off power from whom Thou pleasest: Thou enduest with honour whom Thou pleasest, and Thou bringest low whom Thou pleasest: In Thy hand is all good. Verily, over all things Thou hast power."

Also, consider this verse, Quran 30:37
"See they not that Allah enlarges the provision and restricts it, to whomsoever He pleases? Verily in that are Signs for those who believe."
Or Quran 29:62
"Allah enlarges the sustenance (which He gives) to whichever of His servants He pleases; and He (similarly) grants by (strict) measure, (as He pleases): for Allah has full knowledge of all things.
Or the myriad of other similar verses...

The Quran even says that Allah will restrict the provisions of people. So, it becomes clear that Allah does not value human life. The most ardent believes are in Africa and yet Allah curses them with famine, as the Quran says will happen if Allah pleases. And believers have the audacity to say that Allah knows best? It makes me so angry.