Game of Thrones Season 5 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]

[SteelCurtain]

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I believe Aemon will die in the next episode or two, which will lead to Jon sending Sam to Oldtown to become the Wall's next maester (and Gilly will go with him), and then Jon will head off north to Hardhome with Tormund.

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Dalla's baby isn't there so a major part of that storyline is missing. Either way, I hope Sam and "Cat of the Canals" meet in Braavos on the way.

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[pocaracas]

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I believe Aemon will die in the next episode or two, which will lead to Jon sending Sam to Oldtown to become the Wall's next maester (and Gilly will go with him), and then Jon will head off north to Hardhome with Tormund.

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Dalla's baby isn't there so a major part of that storyline is missing. Either way, I hope Sam and "Cat of the Canals" meet in Braavos on the way.

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That'll only happen if they want to make Maester Aemon die in Braavos.... what other reason would Sam have to waste air time stopping at Braavos? Just go straight to Old Town and get on with it!

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[StuW]

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Sansa was never taken to the boltons in the books, Jayne Poole was sent as an impostor instead

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Not only that but Petyr and Sansa never even leave the vale

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Varys never went to Pentos with Tyrion

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Jamie never goes to Dorne to save Myrcella

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Bronn DOES marry Lolly and doesn't go with Jamie

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Sir Barristan never dies in the books

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And I haven't even seen the latest episode!

[SteelCurtain]

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Dalla's baby isn't there so a major part of that storyline is missing. Either way, I hope Sam and "Cat of the Canals" meet in Braavos on the way.

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That'll only happen if they want to make Maester Aemon die in Braavos.... what other reason would Sam have to waste air time stopping at Braavos? Just go straight to Old Town and get on with it!

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I know, we don't even know Dareon, so the stop in Braavos is pointless. Aemon and Sam can have all the meaningful conversations they need to have on the way south. Gilly won't be crying all the time. She's and Sam's "bastard" are going to live in Horn Hill with Sam's mother. There are some important plot points that happen in Braavos, but they don't have time for them in the series. He meets Xhondo, who tells him something important.

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[Clueless Morgan]

Damn you all with the hide tags!!  It's so hard not to look....

I have to admit I was expecting something to happen to prevent Sansa from being raped. Fuck. I wasn't necessarily surprised, but I was saddened and wowed.

I was half expecting Theon to run up and kill Ramsay - and I was half expecting Theon to confess that Bran and Rickon are both still alive to Sansa.

I fucking hate Ramsay.  This is probably a stupid thing to say as there probably is someone worse than him but Sansa could not have ended up married to a worse person than Ramsay.  I hope she learns really quickly how to fuck with him.

I would speculate that she ends up something like Cersei - married to a man she doesn't love (or even hates) so she starts sleeping around - but knowing Ramsay's personality, if he ever got even a whiff of her two-timing him she'd be in a bad place.  Ramsay is not the type to be trifled with.

I hope Sansa starts working Myranda - getting into her head the way Myranda was trying to get into Sansa's: If he got bored with all those other girls, why does Myranda think he wouldn't eventually get bored with her?

Ooh, and what do you guys think of Littlefinger's new plot to become Warden of the North?

Would he really bring Sansa's head on a spike to Cersei if it ever came to it?
Opinions, opinions, opinions. I wanna hear them 

No.  If Little Finger really does look on Sansa as a "replacement" for Catelyn, there's no way that he'll bring Sansa's head to Cersei.  She's also still seen as the Key to the North - if Little Finger really does want to become the Warden of the North (and eventually more?) then his best move is the same as the Bolton's best move: Marry the remaining Stark to gain the allegiance of the people of the North.  Little Finger needs Stannis to defeat the Boltons, or at least kill Ramsay and thereby release Sansa from that fucker (literally and figuratively) so she can be married off again.  Hopefully she doesn't get pregnant before all this happens.

So... little finger... what does he control, by now?
- Harrenhall
- The Vale

What will he control soon?
- The North

[FatAndFaithless]

Littlefinger is the best most powerful manipulative creepy quasi-pedophile schemer with the drop of protectiveness for Sansa that makes it really hard for me to hate him 100%.

[Aroura]

Ok, first, wow, they are just totally off the books now, 100%.
My take on each story line.

Littlefinger is playing a much bigger game than wanting Warden of the North from Cersie. If that is all he wanted, why spend time teaching Sansa a few tricks and giving her a backbone? I agree with SteelCurtain, he's playing with Cersie.

Sansa, poor dear, develops a backbone but much good it does her. I think this final scene was, sadly, just a woman in the fridge kind of trope. Theon was allowed his name back, and watching her be raped when he feels guilt for causing so much dissent and pain for the one family who treated him with kindness and respct is going to eventually move him to action. I think this was setting up a Theon is going to kill Ramsey plotline.

Arya, just fucking WOW! Best part of this episode. Loved the room of faces, cried when she finally learned to lie and helped that poor child die. Mercy killing. It was horrible and beautiful all at once. Also, "I hated the Hound!", smack "The girl lies to the many faed god and to herself". Awesomesauce, I knew she cared about him by the end.

Kings landing....they arrested Margery and her bro? Olena is not going to take this sitting down, or standing up, or at all. What will be the result of this, I hope, WILL be something from the books (reverseo onto Cersie for her incest). But poor Tommen, being the child of incest, will he get caught up in that as well? Will the queen of thorns use the holy nutjobs or find a way to get rid of them, or both?

Tyrion. Not much actually happening there this, now they are on a faster track to Dany, so yay for that I guess. The slavers just seem like a plot device to move them to Dany faster. Will we get to see Dany watching a fight in the Pits when Jorah comes out? Will we get the Drogon scene or some variation on it at least?

Jamie/Bron/Myrcella, I have no clue where this is going. Bron can sing though! I wanted to hear the end of the Dornisman's wife!

MIA this week were Dany and Brienne. I think they are on hold until the Jorah/Tyrion and Theon/Sansa/Ramsey plotlines move along a bit more, so they can tie those together, respectively.

[FatAndFaithless]

Ok, first, wow, they are just totally off the books now, 100%.
My take on each story line.

Littlefinger is playing a much bigger game than wanting Warden of the North from Cersie. If that is all he wanted, why spend time teaching Sansa a few tricks and giving her a backbone? I agree with SteelCurtain, he's playing with Cersie.

I'm liking his role in the show, really flexing his manipulator muscles, though we do know his one (supposed) weakness with Sansa.

Sansa, poor dear, develops a backbone but much good it does her. I think this final scene was, sadly, just a woman in the fridge kind of trope.

I dunno. She was given the chance to back out of the marriage but exercised her agency and chose to enter the Bolton's den in order to attain a position for revenge. What did she think was going to happen on the wedding night? That being said I do wish the writers had given her less of a victim-y role in that scene. She had just smacked down Myranda in the bath scene and had been utterly in control and collected throughout her time in Winterfell so far. I would've preferred her surprising Ramsay by initating the scene or something...or shit, even just showing her face as completely calm and unreactive while Ramsay was trying to intimidate her would've been better. The quote I remember most from Sansa in the books is "My skin has turned to porcelain, to ivory, to steel." She's been through so much shit that she can't be hurt anymore and can take whatever they can dish out and still come out alive. That last scene just kind of turned into a Season 1 scared Joffrey-plaything Sansa, and it was a bit out of place after they spent the first 5 episodes of the season establishing her newfound strength.

Theon was allowed his name back, and watching her be raped when he feels guilt for causing so much dissent and pain for the one family who treated him with kindness and respct is going to eventually move him to action. I think this was setting up a Theon is going to kill Ramsey plotline.

Agreed, or at least helping her escape from Winterfell a la Jeyne Poole.

Arya, just fucking WOW! Best part of this episode. Loved the room of faces, cried when she finally learned to lie and helped that poor child die. Mercy killing. It was horrible and beautiful all at once. Also, "I hated the Hound!", smack "The girl lies to the many faed god and to herself". Awesomesauce, I knew she cared about him by the end.

Arya was great. I can already see the connection for next episode when she'll meet some people from Westeros.

Kings landing....they arrested Margery and her bro? Olena is not going to take this sitting down, or standing up, or at all. What will be the result of this, I hope, WILL be something from the books (reverseo onto Cersie for her incest).

A lot of people complained about the Loras/Margaery scenes because they think the evidence presented against them was so flimsy. Two things.

1) it wasn't a trial, it was an inquest.
2) That's the point. In the books all we see is Cersei's view of the situation and she thinks she's got a locked down case against the Tyrells, but the evidence is laughable and rumor at best...just like we see in this scene. It's supposed to highlight Cersei's precarious position of self-delusion.

But poor Tommen, being the child of incest, will he get caught up in that as well? Will the queen of thorns use the holy nutjobs or find a way to get rid of them, or both?

I've lost all affection for Tommen. I almost wish Joffrey was there for that one scene...see what he would've done if the Faith Militant tried to take his queen.

Tyrion. Not much actually happening there this, now they are on a faster track to Dany, so yay for that I guess. The slavers just seem like a plot device to move them to Dany faster. Will we get to see Dany watching a fight in the Pits when Jorah comes out? Will we get the Drogon scene or some variation on it at least?

Still, best line of the episode: "The dwarf lives until we find a cock merchant."

Jamie/Bron/Myrcella, I have no clue where this is going. Bron can sing though! I wanted to hear the end of the Dornisman's wife!

I choose to forget those Dornish scenes except for the plot progression. I found the fight scene to be cringingly bad, and the whole setup of that part of the episode is preposterous.

[SteelCurtain]

Arya, just fucking WOW! Best part of this episode. Loved the room of faces, cried when she finally learned to lie and helped that poor child die. Mercy killing. It was horrible and beautiful all at once. Also, "I hated the Hound!", smack "The girl lies to the many faed god and to herself". Awesomesauce, I knew she cared about him by the end.

I loved that scene. Incidentally, I think the face that she sort of gravitates to in the Hall of Many Faces was Old Nan's.

[Aroura]

Arya, just fucking WOW!  Best part of this episode.  Loved the room of faces, cried when she finally learned to lie and helped that poor child die.  Mercy killing.  It was horrible and beautiful all at once.  Also, "I hated the Hound!", smack "The girl lies to the many faed god and to herself".  Awesomesauce, I knew she cared about him by the end.

I loved that scene. Incidentally, I think the face that she sort of gravitates to in the Hall of Many Faces was Old Nan's.

Ah, that would explain the comment "The girl is not yet ready to become no one....", because she's still showing her attachment to her old life.  Good catch!!