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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 1:11 pm
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Can't these bastards come up with anything of their own? Another culturally significant symbol to a lot of people, appropriated into something that symbolises racism and white supremacy.
These people love talking about the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race, then rather than creating their own shit they use symbols from "inferior" Non-Anglo Saxons. The irony...
"Celts" also far predate "white" as an ethnicity. Yes they're "white" in the sense that they're European but "white" as a racial classification didn't exist back then. You can have your little wood henges and hill forts, just remember your ancestors were making those at the same time the Egyptians were building pyramids, and my ancestors were building what's now the oldest free-standing structure in the world. The Celts get a pat on the back for trying though.
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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 1:11 pm
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Well, Steel Curtain, you've done in your tiny ticky tacky corner of "America" what your tiny ticky tacky mind compelled you do so that you could sleep well--report me to the authorities--and, correct me if I'm wrong, wish no further words from me, least of all, I imagine, words of apology. For my part, I have no doubt that the stranglehold that the individual and institutional self-righteousness you invoke puts on the free expression of real, powerful concerns by real, disempowered people, Black and White, is far more responsible for the many tragedies of the many Charlestons in the most armed nation the world has ever known than any nonsense I spout, however vile it may be.
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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 3:11 pm
(April 25, 2015 at 8:00 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Why do you find it disturbing? The kid was diagnosed by a doctor who studies it with Gender Identity Disorder. This is more reasonable than almost anything I can think of. They are delaying puberty until the kid is older so she can make a decision about moving forward at that time.
I'm not sure what's so controversial here.
Then why has John Hopkins, where sex reassignment surgery was first developed, completely stopped performing them?
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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 3:19 pm
(July 17, 2015 at 3:11 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (April 25, 2015 at 8:00 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Why do you find it disturbing? The kid was diagnosed by a doctor who studies it with Gender Identity Disorder. This is more reasonable than almost anything I can think of. They are delaying puberty until the kid is older so she can make a decision about moving forward at that time.
I'm not sure what's so controversial here.
Then why has John Hopkins, where sex reassignment surgery was first developed, completely stopped performing them?
It's "Johns Hopkins", and I don't know, Chad. Why has Johns Hopkins stopped performing gender reassignment surgery? Oh, and be sure to cite your sources that they actually have, you know, stopped doing it.
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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 3:42 pm
They stopped it because their former Psychiatrist in Chief is relying on a long term study that seems to show that surgery produces more satisfied transgender individuals but doesn't necessarily produce happier individuals. The study showed that 10 years after surgery, a lot of transgendered individuals will have continued, increasing mental issues.
The hospital chose to stop performing the surgeries because of the opinion of their Chief Psychologist. The guy clearly recognizes gender dysmorphia, so your point is moot. His opinion is that the surgery doesn't always have the desired long term effect, which may be the case.
I, for one thing, think the results of the survey are on point for the sample space. It was done over a 30 year span from 1981-2011 in Sweden. Long term, even being a post-operative transgender individual, it has not been easy in society. The study makes the assertion that sex reassignment surgery does alleviate the gender dysphoria, but has other consequences.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21364939
So, Chad, this doesn't make the point that you want it to, sorry. You just found a headline, didn't read anything about it, and appealed to an authority. An authority for which you have no idea what they actually said. The study fails to study non-reassigned transgender patients long term. So it fails to really have a proper baseline for what not doing reassignment does to a transgender individual long term.
Incidentally, this is what Johns Hopkins has to say about transgender issues:
http://web.jhu.edu/LGBTQ/transintro.html
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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 3:49 pm
(July 17, 2015 at 1:11 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: Can't these bastards come up with anything of their own? Another culturally significant symbol to a lot of people, appropriated into something that symbolises racism and white supremacy.
These people love talking about the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race, then rather than creating their own shit they use symbols from "inferior" Non-Anglo Saxons. The irony...
"Celts" also far predate "white" as an ethnicity. Yes they're "white" in the sense that they're European but "white" as a racial classification didn't exist back then. You can have your little wood henges and hill forts, just remember your ancestors were making those at the same time the Egyptians were building pyramids, and my ancestors were building what's now the oldest free-standing structure in the world. The Celts get a pat on the back for trying though.
The term white race only showed up when Europeans needed to justify racism against Africans and use them as slaves - Eventually that led to various classifications of people to always justify why your country and your natives are superior. Truth be told, for many white supremacists, specially old school ones, celtics and southern Europeans were inferior versions of whites but still acceptable because they were still white, so using a celtic cross is just moronic. I don't mind people being proud of any heritage whatsoever because whoever you are you are unique in the combination of your personal traits, every one of us is just one human with no equivalent (even if you have twins) - Celts in the Iberia peninsula mixed with other tribes and formed what we historically call the Iberian-celts which represent one of the most important tribal and ethnic groups that have origin to Spain and Portugal, not to mention other tribes that mixed along the way to fight the Romans when they invaded.
Anyway, it's stupid to use it as a white supremacist symbol but for those folks anything that covers up the Swastika will do.
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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 3:55 pm
(July 17, 2015 at 3:42 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: They stopped it because their former Psychiatrist in Chief is relying on a long term study that seems to show that surgery produces more satisfied transgender individuals but doesn't necessarily produce happier individuals. The study showed that 10 years after surgery, a lot of transgendered individuals will have continued, increasing mental issues.
The hospital chose to stop performing the surgeries because of the opinion of their Chief Psychologist. The guy clearly recognizes gender dysmorphia, so your point is moot. His opinion is that the surgery doesn't always have the desired long term effect, which may be the case.
I, for one thing, think the results of the survey are on point for the sample space. It was done over a 30 year span from 1981-2011 in Sweden. Long term, even being a post-operative transgender individual, it has not been easy in society. The study makes the assertion that sex reassignment surgery does alleviate the gender dysphoria, but has other consequences.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21364939
So, Chad, this doesn't make the point that you want it to, sorry. You just found a headline, didn't read anything about it, and appealed to an authority. An authority for which you have no idea what they actually said. The study fails to study non-reassigned transgender patients long term. So it fails to really have a proper baseline for what not doing reassignment does to a transgender individual long term.
Incidentally, this is what Johns Hopkins has to say about transgender issues:
http://web.jhu.edu/LGBTQ/transintro.html
Do you ever get tired of shitposting and getting called out on it?
On top of that, this is their current policy on gender reassignment. If they stopped performing the surgeries at all, it seems they've started up again.
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/johns_hop...edures.pdf
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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 5:39 pm
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Oops. That document sucks for you, Chad. I suppose we won't see you in this thread again.
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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 6:43 pm
Well, I see I'm fashionably late to the party.
The attached is what I consider the gold standard. As long as the standards of care guidelines identified in this document are met I've got no problem with the issue. A rather long read but well worth the time.
http://www.wpath.org/uploaded_files/140/...,%20V7.pdf
The child is in the US. They must reach the legal age of adulthood (18) for any sex reassignment surgery.
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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 8:01 pm
(July 17, 2015 at 3:42 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: So, Chad, this doesn't make the point that you want it to, sorry. You just found a headline, didn't read anything about it, and appealed to an authority...
Do you ever get tired of shitposting and getting called out on it?
All I did was ask a sincere question. I heard an interview on NPR with the Chief Psychiatist. I wanted to know how others, who might know more, felt about that. I'm glad you were able to find that study.
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