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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 26, 2015 at 2:26 am
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Pyrrho: interesting, thanks!
So let me get this straight... all that Christians have to show us for evidence is the bible. And Albert here is saying it's just a ridiculous story? Wow. OK, well I'm impressed you found a "Christian mythicist" (or the closest you'll get to one I guess) and I've yet more appreciation for the marvels of cognitive dissidence and just plain making shit up. It does act as a counter example to my blanket statement, so I was wrong 
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 26, 2015 at 4:40 am
(June 25, 2015 at 10:54 am)Stimbo Wrote: So we have an angel named Moroni and a planet named Kolob (Bolok in reverse). You don't even need the magic underwear at this point. Smith must have been laughing all the way to the bank.
You're sure the planet wasn't named Skcollob? Would have made more sense reading it in reverse. Especially since Moroni alludes to a little Moron.
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 26, 2015 at 7:44 am
Yeah, I don't know why Min keeps holding to his position. The evidence shows that Jesus existed. He wasn't some mythical god like Zeus. The New Testament writers had their own opinions of him, and for sure that's fallible. But doesn't mean that he didn't exist in the first place.
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 26, 2015 at 10:53 am
(June 26, 2015 at 2:26 am)robvalue Wrote: Pyrrho: interesting, thanks!
So let me get this straight... all that Christians have to show us for evidence is the bible. And Albert here is saying it's just a ridiculous story? Wow. OK, well I'm impressed you found a "Christian mythicist" (or the closest you'll get to one I guess) and I've yet more appreciation for the marvels of cognitive dissidence and just plain making shit up. It does act as a counter example to my blanket statement, so I was wrong
Albert Schweitzer was not a mythicist... lol... he believed Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher, the dominant view held by secular scholarship.
Wait, Pyrrho and the others who liked the quote thought that the man who launched the "First Quest" for the historical Jesus was a mythicist? (And that the HJ is irrelevant? Lol?). The man who said that, in Bart Ehrman's paraphrase, "the problem with the historical Jesus is that he was far too historical."
Fuckin' Christ people . . . The desperation is getting depressing.
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 26, 2015 at 10:56 am
Desperation? What's the problem, we're just having some polite conversation.
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 26, 2015 at 11:01 am
Guys. guys. It's irrelevant. Please don't get worked up over something like this ._.
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 26, 2015 at 11:04 am
I'm cool and froody
Yeah, it sure is irrelevant. I just enjoy checking it out.
I don't know why people would get all bent out of shape about it. It's just a very old dead guy.
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 26, 2015 at 11:37 am
(June 26, 2015 at 10:53 am)Nestor Wrote: Albert Schweitzer was not a mythicist...
Correct. But he did not think the historical Jesus mattered. At least, that is what he wrote.
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 26, 2015 at 11:43 am
Oh, jesus doesn't matter in any case.
But there remains no evidence of his existence beyond the wishful thinking of early propagandists.
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RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 26, 2015 at 12:45 pm
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(June 26, 2015 at 11:37 am)Pyrrho Wrote: (June 26, 2015 at 10:53 am)Nestor Wrote: Albert Schweitzer was not a mythicist...
Correct. But he did not think the historical Jesus mattered. At least, that is what he wrote. He didn't think the historical Jesus was relevant to modern Christian theology. And I would agree. Which is why, Rob, the attempts of mythicists to paint any historical quest as propagandistic, wishful, and religious in nature is desperate, dishonest, and irrational, to say nothing of politeness.
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