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Sexism because Adam Sandler didn't wear a dress
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Sexism because Adam Sandler didn't wear a dress
Okay, the title is a bit of a piss take and it'll hopefully make sense after reading the article I'm going to refer to:

https://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/blogs/fas...29131.html

Quote:There’s a double standard in Hollywood fashion, and this photo — men, looking as if they’ve rolled out of bed or come from the gym, with their female co-star putting effort (and hours of it) into her appearance — encapsulates it. Sure, Sandler’s got a reputation for being a slob, often throwing a middle finger up in the face of assumed dressing standards and having an apathetic attitude towards the bright lights big city culture, but that doesn’t discount him from the sexist issue at the heart of it all.


This shit bewilders me. How the fuck is this 'writer' (I use that term loosely) making a sexist issue out of something so ridiculous?

I'm just gonna quote top commenter "Peter", because he pretty much nails it:

Quote:You know who wants women to turn up to these events wearing fancy dresses? Other women. I honestly don't think men care at all. I don't know what dress someone wore to a premier and i don't really care. Go out in any major city tonight and you will see women with lots of makeup and fancy dresses whilst men are largely in jeans and a t-shirt, this is a reflection on life, not hollywood. Even going to the shops some women wont go out without wearing makeup yet i dont know a man who has wore any (other than fancy dress) a single day in their lives. Can we not just accept that there are differences between the sexes and grow up.? And suggesting she is uneasy next to two 40 year old men as if they are going to mount a attack is pretty low. Nobody ever comments if its a 20 year old bloke with two 40 year old women, infact they make TV shows called Couger Town which is seen as entertainment. Whilst women can say 'oh if i was 20 years younger' it will be laughed at. If a man says it you are seen as a creep and sleazy. There are double standards in society and sometimes its easier to blame men. Who do you think is obsessed with size zero? When men are voting Kelly Brook as the sexiest women on the planet....Its pressure on girls by girls.

Whoever wrote this bullshit article needs shooting.

But anyway, just thought I'd share this with y'all. Probably the highlight of my day. Made me rather annoyed at least.
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RE: Sexism because Adam Sandler didn't wear a dress
Gomez probably wore the dress because she wanted to wear it so I don't think that, by itself, is sexism. According to the article, actresses can get a lot of money for wearing certain fashions or jewelry. It would be interesting to know if actors get the same perks.

There is a tendency for the media that covers actors and actresses to be more critical of how women dress than men. If Gomez had worn an outfit similar to Sandlers, tabloid magazines would have been more negative in their reaction to her. I am not certain if that is sexism or just one of those cultural stupidities that we don't question even though we should.

Gomez, by the way, did not look uncomfortable in that photo. I couldn't tell anything about her feelings just from that one picture
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RE: Sexism because Adam Sandler didn't wear a dress
Sweatpants and Shorts is almost a synonym for Adam Sandler and Kevin James, isn't it?  It's how they butter their bread -and- the side it's buttered on. I'm sure that a case can be made for the problems inherent to sexist attitudes and approaches that doesn't have to stand up on it's tippy toes and reach as hard as all this? Have we talked all of that to death....is this the state of sexism today.....that it;s something to do with shorts and silk dresses? If either of those two guys had a pair of silk shorts on...would that mean it wasn;t something to do with sexism? Anybody check to see whether or not the guys wore briefs or boxers that night? Might be informative.

IDK...far be it from me to conclude entirely that sexism isn't somehow a factor here./...but it seems to me like marketing, image management, and earning potential is a much more compelling explanation for why any of these people, professional entertainers, wear what they do. There's money in shorts and sweatpants for females too. I've got my wallet out.
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RE: Sexism because Adam Sandler didn't wear a dress
(June 17, 2015 at 9:31 am)Nope Wrote: Gomez probably wore the dress because she wanted to wear it so I don't think that, by itself, is sexism. According to the article, actresses can get a lot of money for wearing certain fashions or jewelry. It would be interesting to know if actors get the same perks.


It's my understanding that actors and actresses can be paid/compensated to wear a particular designer's clothing, accessories, makeup, etc. - both men and women.  With awards shows and things the outfits are usually on loan or borrowed or something from the designer, they are not purchased by the celebrity, and in the case of custom dresses it's as much a boon for the designer, who can turn around and sell the dress to consumers, as it is to the celebrity, who is getting a couture piece designed especially for them.

In other words, it's all about money, promotion of the self (in the case of celebrities) and brands (in the case of designers), and endorsement deals.

For example, I've generally wondered this, Ellen Degeneres is a Covergirl, but is that endorsement deal only for the commercials she does or did Covergirl write into her contract that Ellen must use Covergirl products as her makeup for her talk show?  Charlize Theron does J'adore perfume commercials, but does her contract extend to her having to wear J'adore on runways or to red carpet events?

It'd be interesting to see just how these sorts of endorsement deals are written.  Maybe Adam Sandler and Kevin James are just not interested in free cloths or hoking product for designers?

Or maybe they're just slobs who can't be bothered to wear presentable cloths (clean jeans and a t-shirt w/o holes or Doritos stains)
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RE: Sexism because Adam Sandler didn't wear a dress
Or, maybe they stand to make more money by retaining the shorts and sweatpants image, as Gomez does by being "the girl in the red dress".
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RE: Sexism because Adam Sandler didn't wear a dress
You know, I'd never wish violence on anyone, but with Adam Sandler and Kevin James standing next to each other, one well-placed grenade could save the world from a lot of painful cinematic experiences. In fact, ethically speaking, I think we have to kill James in order to ensure there is no Paul Blart 3.
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RE: Sexism because Adam Sandler didn't wear a dress
Can't blame Kevin James for making a movie that people go to see. The market supports that pile of dreck. And that's our fault.

This is just clickbait, pure and simple. The internet is trending towards "You won't believe what this kitten did!" or "7 reasons why the internet just can't today" or "See if we can guess your age by which pokemon you like!" clickbait bullshit. Buzzfeed and sites like it are making money hand over fist for polarizing (verb) topics and inciting emotional responses that prompt people to share on their FB timelines. That guy is no more a journalist than I am by writing this paragraph.
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RE: Sexism because Adam Sandler didn't wear a dress
(June 17, 2015 at 9:31 am)Nope Wrote: Gomez probably wore the dress because she wanted to wear it so I don't think that, by itself, is sexism. According to the article, actresses can get a lot of money for wearing certain fashions or jewelry. It would be interesting to know if actors get the same perks.


The article answered that:

Quote:So there’s an obvious perk to the excessive amount of time spent in a makeup chair and in dressing rooms with a personal stylist. But men’s fashion has never been as popular. The annual sales aren’t as large and and endorsements are hard to come by. (Unlike Kylie Jenner, for example, who can promote something as inane as colored hair extensions for the cool price of a Malibu mansion.) Kit Harrington for Jimmy Choo, Eddie Redmayne for Burberry, and David Beckham for H&M are a few examples (oddly, all Brits); but it’s not as if oxfords and tuxedos have the same market impact as a couture gown or a diamond necklace.

https://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/blogs/fas...29131.html


(June 17, 2015 at 9:31 am)Nope Wrote: There is a tendency for the media that covers actors and actresses to be more critical of how women dress than men. If Gomez had worn an outfit similar to Sandlers, tabloid magazines would have been more negative in their reaction to her. I am not certain if that is sexism or just one of those cultural stupidities that we don't question even though we should.

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I think you are absolutely right, that magazines would be more critical of a woman dressing as a slob than a man doing it.  And since that is an arbitrary distinction made on the basis of sex, it is the very definition of sexism.

Also from the article:

Quote:At the recent Cannes Film Festival, women were turned away from a premiere for not complying with the strict dress code that called for women to wear high heels. “Everyone should wear flats, to be honest. We shouldn’t wear high heels,” Emily Blunt said. “That’s very disappointing, just when you kind of think there are these new waves of equality.” To her point, women should be free to wear whatever they want, when they want, without external pressures that force them to conform to a specific archetype.

Now, I understand events have dress codes, but high heals are not necessary for looking good, and also they are actually unhealthy.  That is another difference with men's fashion, as men's clothing typically does not cause health problems.  (However much a man might not like wearing a suit and tie, if they fit properly and are worn properly, they do not generally harm him.)

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RE: Sexism because Adam Sandler didn't wear a dress
(June 17, 2015 at 11:38 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Can't blame Kevin James for making a movie that people go to see. The market supports that pile of dreck. And that's our fault.

I didn't realize artistic integrity was dead. Killed by the almighty dollar, no less.

No, you can blame him for putting out shit. Just because the masses are too ignorant to stay away, that doesn't mean he is absolved for any responsibility for the garbage he pumps out. Any attempt to appeal to the lowest common denominator can be called out, no matter how profitable.
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