Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach

[Cato]

Bobby Fisher was one of the greatest chess players of all time. He was also an anti-Semitic nut-job later in life.

Bobby Fischer (notice the correct spelling) never wrote a book asking me to seriously consider his argument. Being antisemitic has fuck all to do with playing chess. Denying The Holocaust does require a serious evaluation of someone's sincerity and loose grasp of reality if I am being asked to consider an argument that is supposed to be based in fact. If someone gets The Holocaust wrong, little of what they report can be trusted.

[Randy Carson]

You did not know that hundreds...thousands...of professional NT scholars accept them?

That may explain why you are a member of this forum.

Ooooh New Testament scholars also accept them, and hundreds at that. Now that is impressive!

Indeed. Kinda like when physicists draw conclusions about the origins of the universe. Hundreds of them...maybe thousands...at accredited universities.

I recognize that you are an occasional member of the forum, so you may have missed this previously: Ehrman lays out what it takes to be a world-class scripture scholar this way:

Serious historians of the early Christian movement--all of them—have spent many years preparing to be experts in their field. Just to read the ancient sources requires expertise in a range of ancient languages: Greek, Hebrew, Latin, and often Aramaic, Syriac, and Coptic, not to mention the modern languages of scholarship (for example, German and French). And that is just for starters. Expertise requires years of patiently examining ancient texts and a thorough grounding in the history and culture of Greek and Roman antiquity, the religions of the ancient Mediterranean world, both pagan and Jewish, knowledge of the history of the Christian church and the development of its social life and theology, and, well, lots of other things. It is striking that virtually everyone who has spent all the years needed to attain these qualifications is convinced that Jesus of Nazareth was a real historical figure. Again, this is not a piece of evidence, but if nothing else, it should give one pause.

Did you notice that being a Christian or having faith in God was not part of the criteria?

I became a member of this site because this really hot chick lured me into coming to play with her in a69. I stayed for the awesome people...and the cookies, and MC's delicious body.

Just remember that too many delicious cookies will have a negative impact on a delicious body.

[KevinM1]

Wait... is Randy really saying that if historical Jesus existed, then he must have been miraculous and divine? Because that's patently idiotic. And it's not at all what his playing deck of academic sources are getting at.

[abaris]

Wait... is Randy really saying that if historical Jesus existed, then he must have been miraculous and divine?  Because that's patently idiotic.  And it's not at all what his playing deck of academic sources are getting at.

Did you expect anything less from a person who can't even make a distinction between fact and hearsay?

[Randy Carson]

"A guy", poca? Do you think that Ehrman and the pope are talking about two different people?

I'm not in absolute denial that a wandering preacher named Jesus might have existed. But there's no evidence of yes or no. So it's might. Even your new found love Ehrman can't take that leap. He's talking about his belief that Jesus was historical. Based on his study of the books. That will never go undisputed and Ehrman knows that.

Prove it. Cite a passage from one of Ehrman's books in which he claims that Jesus only "might have existed." Cause I'm reading his definitive treatment of the subject right now, and he is not waffling or sitting on the fence at all.

And yes, the pope and Ehrman speak about entirely different persons, since Ehrman does neither claim divinity nor supernatural capabilities for that Jesus person, whereas the pope just does that.

Kinda like the Jews and the Muslims and the Christians all worship different Gods because they view Jesus differently? Sorry. Doesn't work that way. Ehrman speaks of Jesus of Nazareth as a real person who really lived and was crucified by Pontius Pilate. Same as the pope.

In any case, if Jesus existed doesn't answer even one of the claims you made in your OP. Even if, beyond any reasonable doubt, the historicity of a preacher named Jesus was proven, there's still not a shred of evidence for him performing miracles and rising from the dead. Outside of hearsay and legends that is. And that's all you're presenting.

Then review my five posts and present an in-depth explanation of each point showing the errors that all the PhD's have made. Thanks.

[Losty]

I became a member of this site because this really hot chick lured me into coming to play with her in a69. I stayed for the awesome people...and the cookies, and MC's delicious body.

Just remember that too many delicious cookies will have a negative impact on a delicious body.

Don't worry most of the really fun sins are great for burning calories

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Someone smarter than me tell me what the difference between a historian and a NT scholar is please.

[Randy Carson]

Bobby Fischer was one of the greatest chess players of all time. He was also an anti-Semitic nut-job later in life.

Bobby Fischer (notice the correct spelling) never wrote a book asking me to seriously consider his argument. Being antisemitic has fuck all to do with playing chess. Denying The Holocaust does require a serious evaluation of someone's sincerity and loose grasp of reality if I am being asked to consider an argument that is supposed to be based in fact. If someone gets The Holocaust wrong, little of what they report can be trusted.

Being antisemitic doesn't have anything to do with the doctrine of sola scriptura, either.

Some people deny the holocaust. Other deny that Jesus even existed. 60-70% of this forum's members are in this camp according to a recent poll.

(Others deny that I always mis-spell that name!)

[Spooky]

Holy dogshit! This thread is still going?

Randy, do you not realize you have proven nothing?

[Losty]

No one here is denying that at some point there were men named Jesus....

[Spooky]

No one here is denying that at some point there were men named Jesus....

And still are*