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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 19, 2015 at 1:09 pm
(July 19, 2015 at 1:01 pm)IanHulett Wrote: (July 19, 2015 at 12:53 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Or you proved you didn't understand what I was saying. It's okay. We can move on.
Dude? What the fuck are you talking about?
You came here presenting "facts," and when I said they didn't add up, you claim that I didn't understand what you're saying. There are plenty of rebuttals to your argument through out this thread. Are you refusing to consider them? Why are you even bothering trying to discuss this?
Let's break this down to make it simple.
Fact 1: Jesus died by crucifixion.
Show me how this has been refuted in this thread, Ian. Just the post numbers if that makes it easier for you.
Or attempt something fresh on your own.
What evidence is there that the ancient historians who referenced this event WERE WRONG? Or that the modern NT scholars who have spent their entire lifetimes studying that source materials are simply in error when they accept the crucifixion of Jesus as a historical fact?
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 19, 2015 at 1:10 pm
(July 19, 2015 at 1:03 pm)Rhythm Wrote: He's not discussing, he's not here to discuss, he's here to proselytize.....clear that up for you?
I suppose you're right. Honestly, I don't understand why religious folks come here if they don't want to have intelligent conversations, or admit when their arguments are fallacious or even downright wrong.
If pinkie pie isn't real, then how do you explain the existence of ponies, huh? If ponies are real, then that's proof that Pinkie Pie is real. Checkmate, christians! 
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 19, 2015 at 1:11 pm
(July 19, 2015 at 1:03 pm)Rhythm Wrote: He's not discussing, he's not here to discuss, he's here to proselytize.....clear that up for you?
Based on your posts, I think it's pretty clear you're not here to discuss.
I've presented evidence for five facts accept by modern scholars. What have you presented to refute their conclusions?
NOTHING.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 19, 2015 at 1:12 pm
(July 19, 2015 at 1:03 pm)IanHulett Wrote: (June 24, 2015 at 10:43 pm)Stimbo Wrote: 1. Obi-Wan Kenobi died in a lightsabre duel.
2. Kenobi's apprentice and former master saw he had risen and appeared to them.
3. Darth Vader, the persecutor of the Jedi, was suddenly changed.
4. Han Solo, the sceptical pilot for Kenobi, was suddenly changed.
5. Kenobi's robes were found to be empty.
Why don't you consider THIS rebuttal? It works perfectly. It shows that your "facts" or "logic" can be used to justify ANYTHING.
I responded to this previously. You HAVE read the thread, haven't you?
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 19, 2015 at 1:14 pm
(July 19, 2015 at 1:09 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (July 19, 2015 at 1:01 pm)IanHulett Wrote: Dude? What the fuck are you talking about?
You came here presenting "facts," and when I said they didn't add up, you claim that I didn't understand what you're saying. There are plenty of rebuttals to your argument through out this thread. Are you refusing to consider them? Why are you even bothering trying to discuss this?
Let's break this down to make it simple.
Fact 1: Jesus died by crucifixion.
Show me how this has been refuted in this thread, Ian. Just the post numbers if that makes it easier for you.
Or attempt something fresh on your own.
What evidence is there that the ancient historians who referenced this event WERE WRONG? Or that the modern NT scholars who have spent their entire lifetimes studying that source materials are simply in error when they accept the crucifixion of Jesus as a historical fact?
Okay, you're wasting my one and only existence because you refuse to accept that your reasoning is at least flawed. So, this will be my last response to you.
Look at post #7. He shows how your logic can be applied to any story. Does #7 Prove that Star Wars is true? I doubt it.
If pinkie pie isn't real, then how do you explain the existence of ponies, huh? If ponies are real, then that's proof that Pinkie Pie is real. Checkmate, christians!
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 19, 2015 at 1:15 pm
(July 19, 2015 at 1:10 pm)IanHulett Wrote: (July 19, 2015 at 1:03 pm)Rhythm Wrote: He's not discussing, he's not here to discuss, he's here to proselytize.....clear that up for you?
I suppose you're right. Honestly, I don't understand why religious folks come here if they don't want to have intelligent conversations, or admit when their arguments are fallacious or even downright wrong.
I will be happy to do so when that happens. I make mistakes from time to time and I admit them.
So far, you've not actually addressed any of the five facts, have you? YOu're just skimming the thread...looking for catchy things that others have said in order to repeat them, but you're not actually adding anything new to the discussion.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 19, 2015 at 1:15 pm
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(July 19, 2015 at 1:11 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (July 19, 2015 at 1:03 pm)Rhythm Wrote: He's not discussing, he's not here to discuss, he's here to proselytize.....clear that up for you?
Based on your posts, I think it's pretty clear you're not here to discuss.
I've presented evidence for five facts accept by modern scholars. What have you presented to refute their conclusions?
NOTHING.
Get over yourself. Most people here are unpersuaded that you've established all five of these facts. And even if you had, so what? It gets you no closer to demonstrating the truth of the alleged resurrection, which was the whole point of this increasingly pointless thread. Once and for all, put up or shut the fuck up.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 19, 2015 at 1:16 pm
(July 19, 2015 at 1:15 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: YOu're just skimming the thread...looking for catchy things that others have said in order to repeat them, but you're not actually adding anything new to the discussion.
Orly, tell me more about repeating shit -_-
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 19, 2015 at 1:17 pm
(This post was last modified: July 19, 2015 at 1:22 pm by Randy Carson.)
(July 19, 2015 at 1:14 pm)IanHulett Wrote: (July 19, 2015 at 1:09 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Let's break this down to make it simple.
Fact 1: Jesus died by crucifixion.
Show me how this has been refuted in this thread, Ian. Just the post numbers if that makes it easier for you.
Or attempt something fresh on your own.
What evidence is there that the ancient historians who referenced this event WERE WRONG? Or that the modern NT scholars who have spent their entire lifetimes studying that source materials are simply in error when they accept the crucifixion of Jesus as a historical fact?
Okay, you're wasting my one and only existence because you refuse to accept that your reasoning is at least flawed. So, this will be my last response to you.
Look at post #7. He shows how your logic can be applied to any story. Does #7 Prove that Star Wars is true? I doubt it.
Post #864.
Did Lucas claim to be writing history? If we were to throw him in prison and threaten him with death, would he be willing to die rather than deny that Obi-Wan Kenobi rose again (v. being a fictional character in a story he made up from scratch). Lucas would think you were nuts for even asking the question.
Conversely, the gospel writers were not willing to recant their claims that Jesus rose from the dead because they did not believe - they KNEW - that he had risen, and no amount of torture or even death could persuade them to deny it.
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RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 19, 2015 at 1:18 pm
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(July 19, 2015 at 1:11 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (July 19, 2015 at 1:03 pm)Rhythm Wrote: He's not discussing, he's not here to discuss, he's here to proselytize.....clear that up for you?
Based on your posts, I think it's pretty clear you're not here to discuss.
I've presented evidence for five facts accept by modern scholars. What have you presented to refute their conclusions?
NOTHING. You've presented the articles of your faith -as- fact and evidence....and you continue to repeat this claim despite having had it thouroughly discredited in this -and every- thread you've ever made the claim in. You're a liar for christ.
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