Calling it into question...

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Money is not my goal I assure you.

Yeah, neither of us were talking about you.

He's obviously not keeping up on his Carlinisms.

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Judi Lynn,
Everything has a path. Even other intelegent creatures that surely make there own decisions choose to take there preordained path. This path leads them to a happy meaningful existence. If solar systems didn't go along there path they wouldn't sustain life as we know it. We are the only beings that we know of that go against our destiny just because we can.

I was generalizing based on my experience dealing with and being atheist. If the shoe fits wear it, if not I wasn't talking to you. You threaten of deep water to a fish, for my vast understanding has only come after vast pain that I thrive in and relish. Please, free me, let me show you the ways not right. Threats are absolutely useless. I fear none but the Lord and he guides me as long as I keep my perspective. There are three have no doubt. I am generally respectful and don't take kindly to worthless threats. What I'm tryin to say is act or shut the fuck up with your negativity.
Most are selfish is what I originally meant.
The next two things are you acting as if I'm attacking you. But you do admit to being a fighter, that's good. I'm glad you made it through your personal conflicts.

Fact. Either you have some idea of the truth and do nothing about it which is a shitty existence. Or you are not observant to reality because you are caught up in society, greed, lust, addiction, etc, or oblivious cause uhm... Your dumb

How in the he'll are you gonna tell me what I can relate to in the Bible? Some fuckin people. I personally can make sense of pretty much all I have read. Sorry you can't and don't want to. Do you fuckit. He destroyed them so they could reboot basically. Or are you talking about the time before that with the bloodthirsting giants that were mad and eating people and kids? Either way justified as far as I'm concerned. Not going to intercine again because of it.

You completely misconstrued the message. Do good or pay the consiquences here and now or in death as energy that returns to what it's actions in life were. Both are hell. He guides us for our benifit. What the fuck would he get out of it? It's for us. The free will, the unique life all the way down to the earth. It's all about opportunity to do great and accomplish greatness universally as opposed to wallowing in self pity and greed wondering were Gods hand out is.

Once again God has given us the chance to end hunger, desease, cancer. Half that shit is our own doing. The other half is evil or chaos. Balance in everything. Not equal though and that's a blessing.


Besides what I know. And what shows itself daily.
Spence people had written language they have spoken of the right way. It's not a coincedence that they are all closely related and many with same names places and events. All that shit must be colwctively made up though right. The splendor of our existence and everything we have the potential to destroy or help is proof. All this didn't happen on it's own. Sorry. Something at least got the ball Rollin. Whatever that is is God. It's not something you see. Well really it is because it is in everything, but the connection really is something you feel.

Someone asked about direct intervention. God doesn't necessarily just intervene. He said he would never do that on a large scale again. He gives us the opportunity to make our own fate but has shown us the right direction.

Did I say it was an Abrahamic Lord. No. I said all Gods from main religions could be considered the same. That doesn't mean that it acts like Yah only. Or Jesus, or Allah or any one particular God. They are all the same and share attributes.

The Lord was testing his faith for good reason. He would have killed the child if the Lord hadn't stopped him.

Once again, he gave us the earth and all things on it. Including the opportunity to fuck up or become great.

You say I was brainwashed by my religion. I was atheist for about 25 years. Ass. No one taught me shit let alone force religion in me. Do you understand that I came to all these conclusions before I ever read the Bible? I still haven't read the New Testament. Because of the contradictions I'm waiting on that one. There isn't a religion I know of that has the same beliefs as me.

I don't know what your problem is exactly and I really don't care. You obviously have a lot of problems. The one Lord could help but I'm sure that's the last thing you want to hear. You don't consider your internal turmoil a he'll of sorts, or at least really strong evidence that something is wrong?

For fucks sake, but you're an arrogant, condescending little twat. From insults and generalizations to apologies and back in just a handful of posts.

I can see you're tenure here will be volatile, likely short, yet highly entertaining.

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I'm sorry but how in the fuck would you scientifically prove something  that science can't even begin to answer? And get this you fuck; I know what the fuck I know because I was shone. The Lord had mercy on me. It's that ducking simple. I have had a close relationship with our being ever since. You have no clue. Existence is our God. The fucking opporrunity to reign over all things that we observe. What, that was just from some dust? No fucking way are we so fucking privileged to just happen to be here with the greatness we have just  cuz. Are you so fucking shallow that you can't understand that science can't define or even remotely interpret some things? Science is a tool for understanding things. It breaks things down into smaller pieces. How are you going to break something down that isn't material?
Get your head out of your ass.

Pride and arrogance. What was it your "good book" said about those things?!?

[popsthebuilder]

Stand for something or stop flapping your gums.

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Judi Lynn,
Everything has a path. Even other intelligent creatures that surely make their own decisions choose to take their preordained path. This path leads them to a happy meaningful existence. If solar systems didn't go along their path they wouldn't sustain life as we know it. We are the only beings that we know of that go against our destiny just because we can.

Fix't for you.

You threaten of deep water to a fish, for my vast understanding has only come after vast pain that I thrive in and relish. Please, free me, let me show you the ways not right. Threats are absolutely useless.

Uh what? Try making sense first of all and second, what "threats" are you referring to? That's a pretty serious accusation to make, if you are indeed making one.

I am generally respectful and don't take kindly to worthless threats. What I'm tryin to say is act or shut the fuck up with your negativity.

Again, what threats are these that you speak of? And... Um no. YOU shut the fuck up with your negativity. You came and posted in my thread. Remember?

The next two things are you acting as if I'm attacking you.

Since when is asking you to answer questions that were asked of you, considered an attack? Instead of answering, we get the "feel free to look it up on blah blah blah" routine. Happens all the time when a theist is put on the spot or is asked something. Sorry, but we aren't here to prove your points for you. If you want us to see your point of view, YOU get to do the homework involved in providing the answers. Not us. You have way too much time on your hands and you are making a mountain out of a molehill.

Fact. Either you have some idea of the truth and do nothing about it which is a shitty existence. Or you are not observant to reality because you are caught up in society, greed, lust, addiction, etc, or oblivious cause uhm... Your dumb

Fact? Given that you don't know me, please provide evidence that shows your statements above, with regards to ME personally, are true. I'll wait. By the way.. I'm not dumb. I've already had to correct your spelling quite a number of times and I won't even begin to correct your grammar let alone the basic fact that some of your posts made ZERO sense. So let's not get into who is dumb here.

Do you fuckit. He destroyed them so they could reboot basically. Or are you talking about the time before that with the bloodthirsting giants that were mad and eating people and kids? Either way justified as far as I'm concerned. Not going to intercine again because of it.

Ahh... I understand* totally now. Makes perfect sense. *not really, but I'll let you believe it because you're fucking crazy.

Spence people had written language they have spoken of the right way.

Who the hell are Spence people?

It's not a coincedence that they are all closely related and many with same names places and events. All that shit must be colwctively made up though right. The splendor of our existence and everything we have the potential to destroy or help is proof. All this didn't happen on it's own. Sorry. Something at least got the ball Rollin. Whatever that is is God. It's not something you see. Well really it is because it is in everything, but the connection really is something you feel.

That is your opinion and not a scientifically proven fact, therefore, you cannot tell anyone else what connections they may or may not feel, are because of some god that no one has ever seen.

Someone asked about direct intervention. God doesn't necessarily just intervene. He said he would never do that on a large scale again. He gives us the opportunity to make our own fate but has shown us the right direction.

Your free will argument is bullshit. If god was all powerful and put everyone and everything here on the earth, then he has the power to be directly involved. If he was a loving god, he wouldn't allow bad shit to happen. To anyone. Period. But since there has yet to be one shred of evidence in favor of his existence, it's really easy to see why we don't believe.

Once again, he gave us the earth and all things on it. Including the opportunity to fuck up or become great.

That is, again your opinion, which you have a right to. But it is not a fact.

Ass.

Aww.. how cute. You called me an ass.

I don't know what your problem is exactly and I really don't care. You obviously have a lot of problems.

My problem lies with those theists who try to come in here, push their agendas and preach. But since you don't care... nor do I care about how you feel. Bugger off fool. And no, I don't have a lot of problems. But you make a lot of assumptions based on your lack of knowledge about who I am.

The one Lord could help but I'm sure that's the last thing you want to hear.

This is the only point you are spot on about. No. I don't want to hear about some magical sky daddy "helping" me because when I was a theist, struggling for years, he didn't help me then. Now that I know there's never been any scientific proof to point to his existence, I no longer feel the need to anticipate that some non-existent being will help. I firmly and rightly rely on my own damn self and my own damn hard work because being actively involved in solving one's problems is the ONLY way they get solved. Prayer doesn't do shit.

You don't consider your internal turmoil a he'll of sorts, or at least really strong evidence that something is wrong?

What internal turmoil do you speak of? If there is any internal turmoil, it surely isn't "hell" because no such place exists for me. Strong evidence that something is wrong? What exactly would that be?

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Judi, Judi, Judi. This is not such a one as can be argued with. The pride and arrogance he's put on display shows he will never listen to a reasonable argument because he has THE TRUTH already.

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I come off as proud. I am a humble person. I am not arrogant. I kinda turn into a prick when people threaten and belittle me. Most do, it should be expected.

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Umm... we weren't referring to you Pops. Do you think you are god somehow?

We are all connected

The delusion is strong with this one!

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Didn't run to God. Was shown. Wasn't looking.

So, gawd violated your free will. Thanks for being the dissenting voice in the sea of noise that is your fellow christers claiming it would never do that.

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Right... and to be considered "his people" one has to fear him and obey him and just "believe" that he's around, somewhere, making promises that if you fear and obey him, he won't send you to hell.

"Love me or I'll kill you, bitch!"
~Abusive spouse

"Love me or I'll cast you in a lake of fire, sinner!"
~Gawd

And the christers can't figure it out.

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Hell is a product of Dante, not Jesus.

The popular descriptions owe much to Dante, but hell is very much biblical.