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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 19, 2015 at 10:50 pm
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Honestly, how would you know? Many of us address religion the way we do because we care a great deal...just not about your religion, or your religious sensibilities. You may feel that this expresses some lack in -us-, but it could just as easily be pointed to as your feeling that your religious sensibilities should be privileged wherever you go, whomever you interact with.
Food for thought.
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 19, 2015 at 10:57 pm
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(July 19, 2015 at 10:50 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Honestly, how would you know? Many of us address religion the way we do because we care a great deal...just not about your religion, or your religious sensibilities. You may feel that this expresses some lack in -us-, but it could just as easily be pointed to as your feeling that your religious sensibilities should be privileged wherever you go, whomever you interact with.
Food for thought.
If you know that making fun of someone's beliefs to their face hurts their feelings, and you do it anyway, then you don't care about their feelings. And if you don't care about a person's feelings, I don't know how you can say you care about them. 
If you have a dear friend who is falling into some pretty messed up, harmful ways of thinking, you can still sit down and have a serious conversation with him and be honest with him. But there is a respectful and disrespectful way of doing it. And how you approach it will show how well you care.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 19, 2015 at 11:00 pm
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(July 19, 2015 at 10:57 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If you know that making fun of someone's beliefs to their face hurts their feelings, and you do it anyway, then you don't care about their feelings. And if you don't care about a person's feelings, I don't know how you can say you care about them. Are you a flower or a human being? Saying mean things about god hurts -your- feelings? Perhaps you should really look into why that is.......I could hazard a guess, but you won't like it.
Quote:If you have a dear friend who is falling into some pretty messed up, harmful ways of thinking, you can still sit down and have a serious conversation with him and be honest with him. But there is a respectful and disrespectful way of doing it. And how you approach it will show ow well you care.
I have a friend like that, apparently, making fun of her religious beliefs hurts her feelings. Tried to be serious, but she went full retard and never turned around. : shrugs :
Have you considered my comment, the one you quoted..hard to tell, judging by the response?
Personally, I find that trying to let people down gently rarely works as intended...and you run the very real risk of them realizing that you're treating them as though they were a child. I respect you enough, for example..to tell you exactly what I think about your religion (and you)...and I trust that you won't shatter like fine china when I do so. Am I wrong? Care to lecture me some more about respect and caring from up there in Mt. Unassailable?
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 19, 2015 at 11:03 pm
(July 19, 2015 at 11:00 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (July 19, 2015 at 10:57 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If you know that making fun of someone's beliefs to their face hurts their feelings, and you do it anyway, then you don't care about their feelings. And if you don't care about a person's feelings, I don't know how you can say you care about them. Are you a flower or a human being?
I'm not sure what you mean by this, I'm sorry. Can you clarify?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 19, 2015 at 11:07 pm
(July 19, 2015 at 11:00 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Quote:If you have a dear friend who is falling into some pretty messed up, harmful ways of thinking, you can still sit down and have a serious conversation with him and be honest with him. But there is a respectful and disrespectful way of doing it. And how you approach it will show ow well you care.
I have a friend like that, apparently, making fun of her religious beliefs hurts her feelings. Tried to be serious, but she went full retard and never turned around. : shrugs :
Have you considered my comment, the one you quoted..hard to tell, judging by the response?
If making fun of your friend's beliefs to her face hurts her feelings, then just don't do it. There's no reason to be a jerk to someone you supposedly care about.
I made a responded to it, so I don't know what you mean about whether I considered it.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 19, 2015 at 11:11 pm
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If my friends religious beliefs are deplorable, I'll find a way to bring that up without simply calling her a monster every time she opens her mouth...............
To clarify, as asked...are you so delicate that I should censor my speech for the benefit of your religious sensibilities? Perhaps you can see how atrocious that might seem to a person who already finds your beliefs deplorable?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 19, 2015 at 11:17 pm
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Here, let me lay this out for you, and tell me whether you prefer my jokes afterward.
You're a member of a death cult that has wrought immense destruction and misery upon countless lives over hundreds of years hoping to escape judgement for your vast sins by way of blood magic...someone -else's- blood, no less. To me, this would seem to imply that you're made of grittier stuff than you let on - and it certainly leaves your religious faith with no grounds to complain about hurt feelings.
-or-
I can crack another pedo priest joke. Which injures you more deeply...and has it ever occurred to you that I, like most human beings, leverage humor when I'm confronted with something that makes me tremendously uncomfortable?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 19, 2015 at 11:31 pm
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(July 19, 2015 at 11:11 pm)Rhythm Wrote: If my friends religious beliefs are deplorable, I'll find a way to bring that up without simply calling her a monster every time she opens her mouth...............
Yes, that's what I mean. If you think her beliefs are causing harm to her or others around her, my advice would be to talk to her about it respectfully, and just one time. Don't keep bothering her about it, and don't make fun of her about it. It's just not your place and can be very rude and annoying.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 19, 2015 at 11:33 pm
(July 19, 2015 at 11:11 pm)Rhythm Wrote: To clarify, as asked...are you so delicate that I should censor my speech for the benefit of your religious sensibilities? Perhaps you can see how atrocious that might seem to a person who already finds your beliefs deplorable?
If we were friends, I would expect you not to be making fun of my beliefs to my face (which is making fun of me). This is just common human decency you learn about in kindergarten.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us..." should we be grateful?
July 19, 2015 at 11:53 pm
How did this thread become about Catholic_Lady's feelings?
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