Atheism the unscientific belief (part one, two, and three)

[SteelCurtain]

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The three "unscientific" threads have been merged. Staff has decided we don't need to keep creating new threads in order to continue this conversation.

[Edwardo Piet]

And wow, after the merge, 223 pages... holy fucking shit.

Glad it was merged though. Same fucking topic.

[MJ the Skeptical]

In nature the small merge into the big.
A drop of water will sooner or later merge into the creek.
The creek will merge into the river and the river will merge into the big ocean.
A cell is composed of matter and consciousness.
This consciousness can be tiny as much as you want but nevertheless there is a minute tiny amount of consciousness.
When we eat we absorb these cells.
The physical side of these cells build our body but what happen to the consciousness side of the cells?
Will it die or will enter or better say merge into our bigger consciousness?
According an Atheist point of view when the body die also the consciousness die so there is nothing left there other than
the physical side that build up our body.
Does this belief make any sense?
If it does make sense than why carnivorous people are more aggressive while vegetarians are more relaxed?
It seems that what we eat determine the way we act and think and therefore make sense to say that the consciousness of the
cells in the food that we are eating merge into our consciousness.
If we follow this line of thinking then we also have to consider what happen when our body die.
Will our consciousness die when our body die or will carry on and merge into what our feelings wish to take us?
Why would our consciousness die when as we can see in nature nothing die?
The small always merge into the big so to me it is totally UNSCIENTIFIC to say that with the physical death everything die. 

1. "In nature the small merge into the big." and "A drop of water will sooner or later merge into the creek." and "The creek will merge into the river and the river will merge into the big ocean."

No to all 3 of these unscientific claims. Ironically, you're scientifically inept in your first sentence, bravo.

2. "A cell is composed of matter and consciousness."

Cells are not conscious nor do they have consciousness, gonna have to ask you for a citation for that testable scientific claim you just made.

3. This consciousness can be tiny as much as you want but nevertheless there is a minute tiny amount of consciousness."

No there isn't even a drop of consciousness in a cell, billions of neuron cells make up consciousness. You fail.

4. "When we eat we absorb these cells, The physical side of these cells build our body but what happen to the consciousness side of the cells?"

The physical side of the cell? as opposed to what? the spiritual side of a cell? or whatever new age woo you believe in...

5. "Will it die or will enter or better say merge into our bigger consciousness?"

Of course that cell dies, but yes, it does become part of that larger thing that ate it, whether it's small like a cell or large like us. What do you think happens to your food? the cells just think to themselves, gee I can't wait to get out of this guy's ass and into a stinky ass sewer and sewage treatment plant.

6. "According an Atheist point of view when the body die also the consciousness die so there is nothing left there other than the physical side that build up our body. Does this belief make any sense?"

There is no one atheist point of view, you get more wrong by the sentence, it's amazing. There are atheists who believe in afterlife stories, there are atheists who don't adhere to proper scientific standards, there are bat-shit crazy atheists who believe all sorts of things. Maybe you should qualify your statement with most atheists or the majority, or some other quantifiable term than a blanket statement of all atheists. And yes, it does make sense that the meat suit you're wearing will rot away and die, and nothing will happen to you as there is no empirical evidence of a spirit or soul.

7. "If it does make sense than why carnivorous people are more aggressive while vegetarians are more relaxed?"

Physiologically we are Omnivores, nobody is strictly a carnivore or they would die of malnutrition. Plus, you made yet another unfounded statement, this time about people who eat meat. Is what you're saying true? maybe, but bring some citations if you ever reply to this.

8. "It seems that what we eat determine the way we act and think and therefore make sense to say that the consciousness of the cells in the food that we are eating merge into our consciousness."

It seems that way? Either it is, or it isn't true. I'd love to see your evidence on this, I generally am curious.

9. "If we follow this line of thinking then we also have to consider what happen when our body die."

We already know what happens, you rot away, and there's no magically soul that comes flying out, they've done plenty of tests on dead bodies. And no, cells are not conscious, that's just new age spin trying to mix religion with science saying, oh cells are conscious, therefore when you die the cells are the ones that bring you to an afterlife, is that where you're going with this weird premise you have?

10. "Will our consciousness die when our body die or will carry on and merge into what our feelings wish to take us?"

Your consciousness is your Brain. Your brain is the thing that makes consciousness, so yes, when your brain does, so do you.

11. "Why would our consciousness die when as we can see in nature nothing die?"

Did your dumbass just say nothing dies? Or that we can't see things die in nature if our consciousness dies? Did I just reply to a troll comment?

12. "The small always merge into the big so to me it is totally UNSCIENTIFIC to say that with the physical death everything die"

Almost everything you've said is easily falsifiable, unscientific and hogwash, including this regurgitated line you started off with. Enjoy the pwnage, friend.

[Cyberman]

In nature the small merge into the big.

In this forum too. Especially when all the (relatively) small threads are totally indistinguishalbe from each other.

[Little Rik]

Actually i already found what i was looking for and believe me Red
social science has nothing to do with spiritual love.

The non-physical doesn't exist.  It's just your made-up name for the mental.  And science does study the mental.

Gee, i didn't know that you are an expert in science.  
Please Yog try to help LR to understand.  
Now i am getting lost.  
Who decide to start the action?
The I or the mind?  
One more thing if you don't mind.  
There is any difference between the mind and a storage of information?  

[robvalue]

Good idea to put all this complete nonsense in one place. There is no need for a part 2 or 3 when the very premise doesn't even make sense, and no efforts are made to correct it.

[Little Rik]

In nature the small merge into the big.
A drop of water will sooner or later merge into the creek.
The creek will merge into the river and the river will merge into the big ocean.
A cell is composed of matter and consciousness.
This consciousness can be tiny as much as you want but nevertheless there is a minute tiny amount of consciousness.
When we eat we absorb these cells.
The physical side of these cells build our body but what happen to the consciousness side of the cells?
Will it die or will enter or better say merge into our bigger consciousness?
According an Atheist point of view when the body die also the consciousness die so there is nothing left there other than
the physical side that build up our body.
Does this belief make any sense?
If it does make sense than why carnivorous people are more aggressive while vegetarians are more relaxed?
It seems that what we eat determine the way we act and think and therefore make sense to say that the consciousness of the
cells in the food that we are eating merge into our consciousness.
If we follow this line of thinking then we also have to consider what happen when our body die.
Will our consciousness die when our body die or will carry on and merge into what our feelings wish to take us?
Why would our consciousness die when as we can see in nature nothing die?
The small always merge into the big so to me it is totally UNSCIENTIFIC to say that with the physical death everything die. 

1. "In nature the small merge into the big." and "A drop of water will sooner or later merge into the creek." and "The creek will merge into the river and the river will merge into the big ocean."

No to all 3 of these unscientific claims. Ironically, you're scientifically inept in your first sentence, bravo.

2. "A cell is composed of matter and consciousness."

Cells are not conscious nor do they have consciousness, gonna have to ask you for a citation for that testable scientific claim you just made.

3. This consciousness can be tiny as much as you want but nevertheless there is a minute tiny amount of consciousness."

No there isn't even a drop of consciousness in a cell, billions of neuron cells make up consciousness. You fail.

4. "When we eat we absorb these cells, The physical side of these cells build our body but what happen to the consciousness side of the cells?"

The physical side of the cell? as opposed to what? the spiritual side of a cell? or whatever new age woo you believe in...

5. "Will it die or will enter or better say merge into our bigger consciousness?"

Of course that cell dies, but yes, it does become part of that larger thing that ate it, whether it's small like a cell or large like us. What do you think happens to your food? the cells just think to themselves, gee I can't wait to get out of this guy's ass and into a stinky ass sewer and sewage treatment plant.

6. "According an Atheist point of view when the body die also the consciousness die so there is nothing left there other than the physical side that build up our body. Does this belief make any sense?"

There is no one atheist point of view, you get more wrong by the sentence, it's amazing. There are atheists who believe in afterlife stories, there are atheists who don't adhere to proper scientific standards, there are bat-shit crazy atheists who believe all sorts of things. Maybe you should qualify your statement with most atheists or the majority, or some other quantifiable term than a blanket statement of all atheists. And yes, it does make sense that the meat suit you're wearing will rot away and die, and nothing will happen to you as there is no empirical evidence of a spirit or soul.

7. "If it does make sense than why carnivorous people are more aggressive while vegetarians are more relaxed?"

Physiologically we are Omnivores, nobody is strictly a carnivore or they would die of malnutrition. Plus, you made yet another unfounded statement, this time about people who eat meat. Is what you're saying true? maybe, but bring some citations if you ever reply to this.

8. "It seems that what we eat determine the way we act and think and therefore make sense to say that the consciousness of the cells in the food that we are eating merge into our consciousness."

It seems that way? Either it is, or it isn't true. I'd love to see your evidence on this, I generally am curious.

9. "If we follow this line of thinking then we also have to consider what happen when our body die."

We already know what happens, you rot away, and there's no magically soul that comes flying out, they've done plenty of tests on dead bodies. And no, cells are not conscious, that's just new age spin trying to mix religion with science saying, oh cells are conscious, therefore when you die the cells are the ones that bring you to an afterlife, is that where you're going with this weird premise you have?

10. "Will our consciousness die when our body die or will carry on and merge into what our feelings wish to take us?"

Your consciousness is your Brain. Your brain is the thing that makes consciousness, so yes, when your brain does, so do you.

11. "Why would our consciousness die when as we can see in nature nothing die?"

Did your dumbass just say nothing dies? Or that we can't see things die in nature if our consciousness dies? Did I just reply to a troll comment?

12. "The small always merge into the big so to me it is totally UNSCIENTIFIC to say that with the physical death everything die"

Almost everything you've said is easily falsifiable, unscientific and hogwash, including this regurgitated line you started off with. Enjoy the pwnage, friend.

Well, well, so you reckon it is unscientific to say that a body can not possibly live without consciousness?
Even a tiny cell is a body so it obvious that she must have some degree of consciousness.
You talk and talk but you can not demonstrate that something alive like a cell can carry on without consciousness.
Sorry son.
You still live in the mental caves of the prehistory.  
You think you are smart but the evidence point somewhere else.  

[SofaKingHigh]

1. "In nature the small merge into the big." and "A drop of water will sooner or later merge into the creek." and "The creek will merge into the river and the river will merge into the big ocean."

No to all 3 of these unscientific claims. Ironically, you're scientifically inept in your first sentence, bravo.

2. "A cell is composed of matter and consciousness."

Cells are not conscious nor do they have consciousness, gonna have to ask you for a citation for that testable scientific claim you just made.

3. This consciousness can be tiny as much as you want but nevertheless there is a minute tiny amount of consciousness."

No there isn't even a drop of consciousness in a cell, billions of neuron cells make up consciousness. You fail.

4. "When we eat we absorb these cells, The physical side of these cells build our body but what happen to the consciousness side of the cells?"

The physical side of the cell? as opposed to what? the spiritual side of a cell? or whatever new age woo you believe in...

5. "Will it die or will enter or better say merge into our bigger consciousness?"

Of course that cell dies, but yes, it does become part of that larger thing that ate it, whether it's small like a cell or large like us. What do you think happens to your food? the cells just think to themselves, gee I can't wait to get out of this guy's ass and into a stinky ass sewer and sewage treatment plant.

6. "According an Atheist point of view when the body die also the consciousness die so there is nothing left there other than the physical side that build up our body. Does this belief make any sense?"

There is no one atheist point of view, you get more wrong by the sentence, it's amazing. There are atheists who believe in afterlife stories, there are atheists who don't adhere to proper scientific standards, there are bat-shit crazy atheists who believe all sorts of things. Maybe you should qualify your statement with most atheists or the majority, or some other quantifiable term than a blanket statement of all atheists. And yes, it does make sense that the meat suit you're wearing will rot away and die, and nothing will happen to you as there is no empirical evidence of a spirit or soul.

7. "If it does make sense than why carnivorous people are more aggressive while vegetarians are more relaxed?"

Physiologically we are Omnivores, nobody is strictly a carnivore or they would die of malnutrition. Plus, you made yet another unfounded statement, this time about people who eat meat. Is what you're saying true? maybe, but bring some citations if you ever reply to this.

8. "It seems that what we eat determine the way we act and think and therefore make sense to say that the consciousness of the cells in the food that we are eating merge into our consciousness."

It seems that way? Either it is, or it isn't true. I'd love to see your evidence on this, I generally am curious.

9. "If we follow this line of thinking then we also have to consider what happen when our body die."

We already know what happens, you rot away, and there's no magically soul that comes flying out, they've done plenty of tests on dead bodies. And no, cells are not conscious, that's just new age spin trying to mix religion with science saying, oh cells are conscious, therefore when you die the cells are the ones that bring you to an afterlife, is that where you're going with this weird premise you have?

10. "Will our consciousness die when our body die or will carry on and merge into what our feelings wish to take us?"

Your consciousness is your Brain. Your brain is the thing that makes consciousness, so yes, when your brain does, so do you.

11. "Why would our consciousness die when as we can see in nature nothing die?"

Did your dumbass just say nothing dies? Or that we can't see things die in nature if our consciousness dies? Did I just reply to a troll comment?

12. "The small always merge into the big so to me it is totally UNSCIENTIFIC to say that with the physical death everything die"

Almost everything you've said is easily falsifiable, unscientific and hogwash, including this regurgitated line you started off with. Enjoy the pwnage, friend.

Well, well, so you reckon it is unscientific to say that a body can not possibly live without consciousness?
Even a tiny cell is a body so it obvious that she must have some degree of consciousness.
You talk and talk but you can not demonstrate that something alive like a cell can carry on without consciousness.
Sorry son.
You still live in the mental caves of the prehistory.  
You think you are smart but the evidence point somewhere else.  

You can demonstrate that a cell can have consciousness?
 
I only want one, just one cell you can prove has consciousness.

Good luck.

[Iroscato]

Good idea to put all this complete nonsense in one place. There is no need for a part 2 or 3 when the very premise doesn't even make sense, and no efforts are made to correct it.

Tell that to the Star Wars prequels.

[robvalue]

Lol

You're right there! We tried to watch part 1, and it was one of the worst things I've ever seen. We made it about half an hour and had to stop watching.

We tried part 2, and it was a lot better, actually good!

Then we tried part 3, and it was amazing! Really brilliant! Better even than 4, 5 and 6 in my opinion. I felt it took the whole universe to a new level.

I can't actually believe the same writers were involved in all 3. They must have been drunk/stoned/distracted/dead to begin with.