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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 12:37 pm
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You can't study something that isn't defined in such a way as to be testable. "God" or "consciousness somehow floating about" cannot be studied until some meaningful definitions have been put forward, and something measurable has been found. As soon as there is something to actually test, sceptics will be all over it.
You can't study vague magical claims.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 12:58 pm
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(October 15, 2015 at 12:27 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: nobody studies something that they dont believe exists
Not even remotely true. They're called "skeptics" and they study whatever evidence is alleged to exist for supernatural phenomena. The problem is - almost all evidence presented so far has been unconvincing, or indeed - fraudulent and/or worthless.
I'd recommend reading some skeptical blogs, or listening to skeptical podcasts, where they tackle some of the most popular claims. "Skeptic's Guide To The Universe" ( http://www.theskepticsguide.org/), or Skeptoid ( http://skeptoid.com/) are good places to start.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:10 pm
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(October 15, 2015 at 12:33 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 15, 2015 at 12:27 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: nobody studies something that they dont believe exists
We all think religion exists.
We all think the claims of religious people exist, and are therefore worthy of study in an attempt to understand them, and confirm or reject that claim.
i was referring to God not religious people everyone knows that religious people and religions exist . if you dont believe that God does exist or can exist your not going to put forth any effort in doing scientific testing . people believe in cancer so cancer research has evolved and we know more about it though focus and study testing and discovery .
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today  Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:11 pm
(October 15, 2015 at 1:10 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 15, 2015 at 12:33 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: We all think religion exists.
We all think the claims of religious people exist, and are therefore worthy of study in an attempt to understand them, and confirm or reject that claim.
i was referring to God not religious people everyone knows that religious people and religions exist
Can anyone study God?
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:21 pm
(October 15, 2015 at 1:11 pm)SofaKingHigh Wrote: (October 15, 2015 at 1:10 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: i was referring to God not religious people everyone knows that religious people and religions exist
Can anyone study God?
i think if people of science put forth the effort they could prove God exists but noone is going to put forth the effort toward something they do not believe exists . disbelief limits discovery .
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:22 pm
(October 15, 2015 at 1:21 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 15, 2015 at 1:11 pm)SofaKingHigh Wrote: Can anyone study God?
i think if people of science put forth the effort they could prove God exists but noone is going to put forth the effort toward something they do not believe exists . disbelief limits discovery .
You're not serious?
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:25 pm
(October 15, 2015 at 1:22 pm)SofaKingHigh Wrote: (October 15, 2015 at 1:21 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: i think if people of science put forth the effort they could prove God exists but noone is going to put forth the effort toward something they do not believe exists . disbelief limits discovery .
You're not serious?
when has there ever been a great scientific effort to prove that God does exist ?
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:27 pm
(October 15, 2015 at 1:21 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 15, 2015 at 1:11 pm)SofaKingHigh Wrote: Can anyone study God?
i think if people of science put forth the effort they could prove God exists but noone is going to put forth the effort toward something they do not believe exists . disbelief limits discovery .
If a god interacts with our four-dimensional reality, it might be possible to study it based on its effects on the world. But if the god in question is considered to be outside time-space and does not interact with the world, then there is no possible scientific protocol that could be developed for its study.
Does the god you believe in interact with the world? If so, how does it interact, and how would you propose that one scientifically study it?
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:40 pm
(October 15, 2015 at 1:25 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: when has there ever been a great scientific effort to prove that God does exist ?
Science doesn't work like that. First someone would have to form a COHERENT, LOGICAL and - most importantly - TESTABLE theory of god, which could then be proven or dis-proved. That has not happened so far.
God is whatever you want it to be - just as any imaginary thing - which is why whenever any particular religious claim regarding god is disproved by science - religious people just make up new ones. The Sun used to be considered a god. Now that we know what it actually is - only very few, very ignorant people worship it.
It's called "God of the gaps" and as long as we don't know absolutely everything (which is impossible) - there will always be opportunities for wishful thinking, or dishonest people to "insert" gods into the universe.
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RE: Atheism. The UNscientific belief (part two)
October 15, 2015 at 1:42 pm
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The "God" claim is by its very definition beyond the realm of science.
Invisible and intangible? Leaves no breadcrumbs? Indistinguishable from His-nonexistence? This all makes him unfalsifiable and undetectable and beyond the scope of science. So no, no serious undertaking by science to "prove" (science doesn't deal in proof... it deals in testing and trying to falsify hypotheses) can succeed because it's not within the realms of science.
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