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(December 2, 2015 at 9:18 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:
(December 2, 2015 at 7:49 am)Little Rik Wrote: [...]
Those who had NDEs experiences are normal decent people not on drugs not on daydreams.
Why they should lie?
[...]
To brighten up a difficult time in their lives with some fantasy. To give some false hope to the loved ones. To get attention of dishonest imbeciles, desperate to prove the existence of an afterlife and sell some books or other magical bullsh*t. To become famous for a while and make some money selling the story to the press. There are ALWAYS reasons to lie.
But of course - many of them don't have to lie, at least not knowingly. They just had a dream, or a hallucination and then many, many days, weeks, or months later when they're asked about the experience (because, you see, it's never been possible to ask a NDE survivor about the experience immediately after they had it, it's always a looong time later; the time they spend mostly doing what? Oh, that's right - SLEEPING) they simply interpret the memory of the dream, colorizing it with details from their culture, like religious stories, or TV and movies.
Oh, yeah - and most of them are in hospitals, when they're remembering their NDEs, so yeah - they are on f***ing drugs.
So no - you have no credible evidence, just some dreams and fantasies.
Not to mention the fact, that "NEAR DEATH" IS NOT "DEATH", dumbass. You didn't think about it, did you?
Every single crap that you think of can be easy contradicted with evidence.
1) No NDE experiencer has ever made any real money out their experiences.
Very few of them did write a book not to make money but to share their experiences with other.
2) Most of them well before they were administered drugs in hospital already had their NDE so drugs or not drugs make no difference.
3) NDEs would be fantasies if they would lead to different experiences but no they all go in one direction which is that the consciousness get disconnected from the body and experience God.
4) No religion is involved, instead they all deal with spirituality.
Some of them see Christ, some Buddha, some Shiva or Krishna while other perceive God in an abstract form. In any case they all experience deep spiritual love.
5) Certainly not to get attention.
In fact most of them are afraid to tell their experiences for fear to be ridiculed.
6) Whether they are in hospital or out the hospital they remember very clearly their spiritual experiences.
On the other hand is usually quite difficult to remember things related to matter-body-mind.
7) The so called near death is real death which has been ascertained by a qualified doctor.
So no Nutter.
You fail once again on all count.
You would have better luck with your butts business instead.
December 2, 2015 at 10:38 am (This post was last modified: December 2, 2015 at 10:50 am by Homeless Nutter.)
(December 2, 2015 at 10:24 am)Little Rik Wrote:
Every single crap that you think of can be easy contradicted with evidence.
1) No NDE experiencer has ever made any real money out their experiences.
Very few of them did write a book not to make money but to share their experiences with other.
2) Most of them well before they were administered drugs in hospital already had their NDE so drugs or not drugs make no difference.
3) NDEs would be fantasies if they would lead to different experiences but no they all go in one direction which is that the consciousness get disconnected from the body and experience God.
4) No religion is involved, instead they all deal with spirituality.
Some of them see Christ, some Buddha, some Shiva or Krishna while other perceive God in an abstract form. In any case they all experience deep spiritual love.
5) Certainly not to get attention.
In fact most of them are afraid to tell their experiences for fear to be ridiculed.
6) Whether they are in hospital or out the hospital they remember very clearly their spiritual experiences.
On the other hand is usually quite difficult to remember things related to matter-body-mind.
7) The so called near death is real death which has been ascertained by a qualified doctor.
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1)-7) All bullsh*t. Not a single point is true.
Have I ever told you about the NDE I once had? I saw a deep, dark tunnel. It was a vagina.
Have you ever had a Near Death Experience of that vagina?
Oh, of course you have - when you were born, brain-dead...
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
(December 2, 2015 at 10:38 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:
(December 2, 2015 at 10:24 am)Little Rik Wrote:
Every single crap that you think of can be easy contradicted with evidence.
1) No NDE experiencer has ever made any real money out their experiences.
Very few of them did write a book not to make money but to share their experiences with other.
2) Most of them well before they were administered drugs in hospital already had their NDE so drugs or not drugs make no difference.
3) NDEs would be fantasies if they would lead to different experiences but no they all go in one direction which is that the consciousness get disconnected from the body and experience God.
4) No religion is involved, instead they all deal with spirituality.
Some of them see Christ, some Buddha, some Shiva or Krishna while other perceive God in an abstract form. In any case they all experience deep spiritual love.
5) Certainly not to get attention.
In fact most of them are afraid to tell their experiences for fear to be ridiculed.
6) Whether they are in hospital or out the hospital they remember very clearly their spiritual experiences.
On the other hand is usually quite difficult to remember things related to matter-body-mind.
7) The so called near death is real death which has been ascertained by a qualified doctor.
[...]
1)-7) All bullsh*t. Not a single point is true.
Have I ever told you about the NDE I once had? I saw a deep, dark tunnel. It was a vagina.
Have you ever had a NDE of a vagina?
Oh, of course you have - when you were born, brain-dead...
Typical of a loser.
When a loser run out of bullets he start talking filthy crap in order to mask his failure.
December 2, 2015 at 11:01 am (This post was last modified: December 2, 2015 at 11:01 am by SofaKingHigh.)
(December 2, 2015 at 10:53 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(December 2, 2015 at 10:38 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: 1)-7) All bullsh*t. Not a single point is true.
Have I ever told you about the NDE I once had? I saw a deep, dark tunnel. It was a vagina.
Have you ever had a NDE of a vagina?
Oh, of course you have - when you were born, brain-dead...
Typical of a loser.
When a loser run out of bullets he start talking filthy crap in order to mask his failure.
The AWARE study into NDE's only found our that many of the subjects were still "aware" 2-3 minutes after death, some reported dream like visions, some reported being aware of doctors and nurses around them, some reported absolutely nothing.
What they didn't show was anything you are putting forward.
December 2, 2015 at 11:27 am (This post was last modified: December 2, 2015 at 11:42 am by Homeless Nutter.)
(December 2, 2015 at 10:53 am)Little Rik Wrote: Typical of a loser.
When a loser run out of bullets he start talking filthy crap in order to mask his failure.
Do you have a proof I didn't have the NDE of a vagina? You don't? Oh, dear - that means it happened and you don't know what you're talking about. You lost again, sir. But then again - we all knew that was going to happen...
On a side note - you don't really expect me to seriously debate the NDE bullsh*t with you, do you? LOL You are a brain-washed cultist, with no education. You simply don't have the capacity to comprehend the facts, like the fact that people - especially dirt-poor, uneducated and desperate people - dream, make up sh*t and lie. That fact alone explains every single stinky brown lump of what you call "evidence".
Talk to me when your magical NDEs, or other hindu nonsense do something useful and not just create fairy-tales for dumb people to masturbate over, while imagining another life, because this one they've already done f***ed up beyond salvation...
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
December 2, 2015 at 11:45 am (This post was last modified: December 2, 2015 at 11:46 am by robvalue.)
They do studies on NDEs? That is messed up. What do they do, cave your head in with a hammer so you're on the brink of death, then rush you into the hospital to save your life? Then ask you what freaky shit went through your mind?
I'm all for science, but this has to stop. It's just not worth it.
Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists.
December 2, 2015 at 11:53 am (This post was last modified: December 2, 2015 at 11:54 am by SofaKingHigh.)
(December 2, 2015 at 11:45 am)robvalue Wrote: They do studies on NDEs? That is messed up. What do they do, cave your head in with a hammer so you're on the brink of death, then rush you into the hospital to save your life? Then ask you what freaky shit went through your mind?
I'm all for science, but this has to stop. It's just not worth it.
Yup, have to be honest, it did seem a bit weird.....over 2000 patients were used, with only 140 surviving so able to be interviewed afterward.
Just fucking weird.
Edit to add: I don't think they actually killed them, more they were patients who were dying anyway.
(December 2, 2015 at 11:55 am)robvalue Wrote: Wow. I'm amazed they got the funding. Even more amazed they got the volunteers.
They were volunteers, right...?
Well, they can't have been.....they were dying.
Would have been an interesting conversation with the relatives.
"Yes, that's right, your mother is dying and her chances of survival are very slim.....with that in mind, do you mind if we plug her up to some machines to see whether or not she sucks off Ganesha on her way to the other side?"
