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The Meaninglessness of Meaning
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Intended as playful more than critical, but if you must know...
I liked the idea of context; however, I thought the analogy given by your last two sentences to be an unnecessary oversimplification.  Quote:but what does "existence in the abstract" mean in the context of objectivity? it means you need to get laid! and quickly! even if she's a cow! 
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Know God, Know fear. 
If meaning is meaningless, does that cancel itself out like a double negative? So there is meaning?
Oh, but that meaning is also meaningless. Dang. Feel free to send me a private message.
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do you promise you weren't lying when you said you meant to say meanings are meaningless! or did you mean something else! you meanie!
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Know God, Know fear.  RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning
July 26, 2015 at 12:40 pm
(This post was last modified: July 26, 2015 at 12:41 pm by bennyboy.)
(July 26, 2015 at 1:51 am)Cato Wrote: Intended as playful more than critical, but if you must know... Okay  I intended that to be boorish. Meaning doesn't have to be some elusive gossamer from an abstract fairy dimension; it can simply be a statement about the human experience, i.e. the human context. Asking if the human experience itself "really" has meaning is, to me, like asking if the universe is a thing. I'd say the universe cannot be a thing, because it is the context by which thing-ness is judged. In the case of the capacity for experience, I wouldn't say it has meaning, exactly, because it is the context in which meaning is defined. Simply put, things have meaning for us because we are agents which see meaning in things.  RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning
July 26, 2015 at 1:23 pm
(This post was last modified: July 26, 2015 at 1:24 pm by Whateverist.)
(July 26, 2015 at 6:36 am)robvalue Wrote: If meaning is meaningless, does that cancel itself out like a double negative? So there is meaning? Wait, you seem to be suggesting it is just meaningless to state that meaning itself is meaningless .. if I take your meaning correctly. 
Nestor, let me see if I understand your opening post. You are simply suggesting that there is no inherent value in things, that value implies a valuer? Is that it?
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 RE: The Meaninglessness of Meaning
July 26, 2015 at 4:52 pm
(This post was last modified: July 26, 2015 at 4:56 pm by Mudhammam.)
(July 26, 2015 at 3:06 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: Nestor, let me see if I understand your opening post. You are simply suggesting that there is no inherent value in things, that value implies a valuer? Is that it?That, yes, and also, does the possibility of such "valuers" existing in any physical sense dissolve alongside the illusion of the "self"? If not, what's the justification? And if the illusion is good enough for us (er... seemingly impossible to avoid, not only in language, but in any subjective - and hence, objective - construct of the world) to maintain such common usage of selves and values, why not other metaphysical concepts, like free will, and even gods?
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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