Theists - how certain are you that a God exists?

[Redbeard The Pink]

Blah blah blah "No True Scotsman" blah blah blah personal revelations blah blah blah shut the fuck up.

Still reading you loud and clear, you presumptuous, pompous fop of a godslave. Pick a different color.

I know these scripts better than you do, son. You got nothin'. You're just regurgitating the lines you paid the pulpit to feed you.

 I thought the color I chose was no bother to you, is this better. What makes an atheist think he could know the scriptures better than any Christian here? You didn't have a personal relationship with God, so how is it you could have possibly received any revelation from God, so it's you that can only spout what you've heard from the pulpit. I haven't always agreed with what I've heard preached even from the preacher at my church, as a matter of fact he told us to always go to the Bible if we disagreed with his sermons, an honest man that knows he's capable of mistakes. you think ministers shouldn't be paid for their work, that's ridiculous.

GC

It IS no bother to me. That's what I'm saying. I wanted you to try and pick a worse one. Mind control.

Having a grasp of written material is a matter of study, and having been brought up in a ministry family where I was encouraged to know exactly what I believe and why, I dare say I was a much closer study of scripture (and religion in general) than many of the people here, and I almost certainly qualify as a more sophisticated theologian than you.

[Ravenshire]

You wrote a grand dissertation on whether you know gawd exists and are willing to simply dismiss the same in my daughter whom you've never even spoken to? Get bent GC. She believed as fervently in her imaginary friend as you do. Unlike you, she grew up. You go ahead and keep your 5-year old world view.

 My God and friend is only imaginary in your mind, reality in the end will teach you differently, I honestly hope you will see the truth before hand.

GC

(emphasis is mine)

Well then. You should have no trouble presenting some real, testable, verifiable evidence for your gawd then.

What you keep missing (and it's really quite simple) is that all you need to do to get us to take you seriously is present some actual evidence. So far all you've ever brought is personal testimony and logical fallacies. Bring some real, testable, verifiable evidence and we will all consider it. Until then, please continue on like a 5-year old.

[Ravenshire]

 You have a high opinion of what you profess to believe and you believe I'm wrong, so how are you different than what you accuse me of being? How am I to take what you say seriously when you aren't even sure that Christ ever lived, 95% means you have doubts. I defend what I know is right and do not compromise to be accepted by those who disagree with me, like I see you doing. Other Christians have come here in the past with your attitude and I've dealt with them the same as I am doing with you, they're gone and I'm still here. Not saying I ran them off, I just believe they realized they couldn't defend their beliefs. Christ taught more about hell than you realize, He said the wise will avoid it. i want ever compromise my beliefs because I want compromise my savior, my popularity here means nothing, my Christ means everything.

GC

This begs the question, why are you here?  This is a place to discuss opposing views with an open mind but you have the presupposition of a closed mind.  You do not have to take me seriously GC, that is of little importance to me.  I am merely pointing out that the language we use carries meaning and when used in the way you are using puts the burden of proof on you and the only defense you logically hold to is "because I personally know" which is not testable.  Paul said always be prepared to give an answer for the hope that is in you.  Which you indeed do, but the modern atheist cannot logically accept it because you claiming to have higher untestable knowledge.  I am 95% certain, so that means I cannot be taken seriously?  Thomas and James were doubters all the way through Christs life, should they be discounted?  I do not know an apologist or honest free thinking Christian that has not wrestled with doubt at one point in their life.  What's your point?  I have faith in God in that I believe He is real and I believe the person of Jesus Christ was who He claimed to be and I understand the gospel message.  

I never said you were wrong.  I said it's not logically defensible to say you know something with certainty that is unverifiable.  That is not persuasive for others to believe your claim only to show that you have knowledge they do not.

Personally I think he's here in the hopes one of us will "fall off the wagon" so to speak, so that he can claim some sort of moral victory. I know, not an actual answer, but nothing else makes even as much sense as that.

[Iroscato]

Yeah, GC, I literally can't read what you're writing.
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On the other hand, keep doing it.

[Ravenshire]

Yeah, GC, I literally can't read what you're writing.
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On the other hand, keep doing it.

It does make it easier to skip over the rantings of the willfully ignorant, doesn't it?

[ktrap]

So far we've had 4-5 theist replies, and only one list (unless I missed one). Two so far have claimed omniscience.

There is a good reason why they won't re-order the list. To do so would mean they'd have to evaluate the God claims in the same way they evaluate other claims. Using this methodology Gods existence will always have a lower certainty than almost anything else they believe to exist.

 No matter what list is made for those things to exist God must be at the top of list.  Without God everything would cease to exist.

[Whateverist]

So far we've had 4-5 theist replies, and only one list (unless I missed one). Two so far have claimed omniscience.

There is a good reason why they won't re-order the list. To do so would mean they'd have to evaluate the God claims in the same way they evaluate other claims. Using this methodology Gods existence will always have a lower certainty than almost anything else they believe to exist.

 No matter what list is made for those things to exist God must be at the top of list.  Without God everything would cease to exist.

The trouble with this medium is I can't see if you are able to say this with a straight face or not.

[Ravenshire]

Without God everything would cease to exist.

Would you please serve your bullshit with a side of evidence or not at all.

[Godscreated]

 I thought the color I chose was no bother to you, is this better. What makes an atheist think he could know the scriptures better than any Christian here? You didn't have a personal relationship with God, so how is it you could have possibly received any revelation from God, so it's you that can only spout what you've heard from the pulpit. I haven't always agreed with what I've heard preached even from the preacher at my church, as a matter of fact he told us to always go to the Bible if we disagreed with his sermons, an honest man that knows he's capable of mistakes. you think ministers shouldn't be paid for their work, that's ridiculous.

GC

It IS no bother to me. That's what I'm saying. I wanted you to try and pick a worse one. Mind control.

Having a grasp of written material is a matter of study, and having been brought up in a ministry family where I was encouraged to know exactly what I believe and why, I dare say I was a much closer study of scripture (and religion in general) than many of the people here, and I almost certainly qualify as a more sophisticated theologian than you.

Yeah, right.

[Godscreated]

 My God and friend is only imaginary in your mind, reality in the end will teach you differently, I honestly hope you will see the truth before hand.

GC

(emphasis is mine)

Well then. You should have no trouble presenting some real, testable, verifiable evidence for your gawd then.

What you keep missing (and it's really quite simple) is that all you need to do to get us to take you seriously is present some actual evidence. So far all you've ever brought is personal testimony and logical fallacies. Bring some real, testable, verifiable evidence and we will all consider it. Until then, please continue on like a 5-year old.

 I haven't what you require, God does go to Him and find out, it's what I did and now I know.

GC