I just read that article. It's infuriating.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
A Little Christian Persecution
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I just read that article. It's infuriating.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
(August 4, 2015 at 1:46 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(August 4, 2015 at 1:35 pm)Nope Wrote: http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-p...-suspended So, sorry.
Oh boy the comments section on those clickbait sites.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
PM me your email address to join the Slack chat! I'll give you a taco(or five) if you join! --->There's an app and everything!<--- (August 4, 2015 at 12:47 pm)Godschild Wrote:(August 3, 2015 at 11:56 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Persecution by Christians I mean. I get tired of hearing about Christians being persecuted in the United State where they are in the majority. I get even tireder when I hear what it is that they consider persecution. So I thought I post a few examples of real Christian persecution: I'm calling BS. There is nothing preventing children at any public school from performing their religious rituals, as long as they do not interfere with classes and learning. Prayer meetings (before school, during lunch or after school), Christians clubs (after school hours), and a prayer at lunch are allowed at all pubic schools. You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
Persecuted? Be glad them heathens weren't burned at the stakes. That's how merciful the lawd is
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There are a few cases of schools prohibiting children from praying.
There's this 2002 Saratogo case in which a girl not only said grace but tried to get other students to join her. According to the school it's that later bit that got her in trouble. In any case it's been settled without damages. She may pray at lunch. She may not ask others to join her. http://poststar.com/news/local/saratoga-...8b124.html The thing is that like the above case they are either attempts to stop disruptions, or misunderstandings of the school's First Amendment obligations. What they are not is attempts by atheists or Jews, or Muslims, or other non-Christians to prevent Christianity. And none of them involves attempts to deconvert Christian kids. Just imagine the hell that would break loose if an atheist teacher were to hold a child in over recess to explain that there is no god.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
(August 4, 2015 at 1:34 pm)Neimenovic Wrote:Quote:Patterson’s parents, who are devout Christians, told their son to continue reading his Bible because it was his Constitutional right. .. and at all times. Praying out loud for your poor atheist classmate during lesson must always take precedence, of course. (August 4, 2015 at 12:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: That's because you haven't searched for those, Christian children have been told a several schools they are not allowed to say a blessing before they eat, seems a shame when teachers deter thankfulness. Well, thankfulness is all well and good. Often posted, but oh so true.
Christians can be persecuted like any other group, and they are in countries like Saudi Arabia and have been in the past - But they can't be persecuted when they are the majority of the population and simultaneously hold most institutional, economic and political power. Christians can only be discriminated the same way white people are marginally discriminated. Persecution denotes open aggression against a group or person and is worse than discrimination. It certainly doesn't apply. French laws are not exactly the best example of secularism That's laicité. I think a 100% secular society is an impossibility because we would have to abolish Christmas and take measures that we can't possibly if we desire freedom, but a rational level of secularism is desirable. Nothing will stop the majority of people in my country from being Christian and thus Christianity having higher cultural influence, so secularism isn't 100% in effect, but it is enough to allow me to scream "Fuck Jesus" without being arrested.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you
(August 4, 2015 at 1:31 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(August 4, 2015 at 1:18 pm)Godschild Wrote: I've seen it on the news over the last few years, so I can't give you anything other that that, sorry. Nope, but thanks for the info. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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