Hello, i am a real Christian

[downbeatplumb]

TC

You say you dont cherry pick but clearly do.
The old testament is a big part of the the christian faith.
So to reject it completely is indeed cherry picking.

Not saying you cant do it, just saying it is cherry picking.

By the way, do you reject the old teatament because it makes christianity a jewish sect?

or because its laughably silly?

By the way welcome to the forum.

[True Christian]

He wasnt mentionned because who could document his life except his disciples ? He only preached for 3 years before the Romans thought he was too much of a threat and crucified him.

If you can believe such abject nonsense then I don't understand why you can't believe in OT miracles. They are no sillier than what you profess.

You still haven't dealt with Matthew's zombies wandering around Jerusalem. Is that one that even you can't rationalize?

Minimalist this thread is 12 pages long sorry if i couldn't have the time to answer everything.

However if Jesus can be resurrected, i do not see why the bodies of saints could not be reanimated as well. Yes it is hard to believe but the resurrection is THE most important event in christianity. God rarely shows his power openly, maybe because he wants us to chose our own faiths. But for this event he showed the extent of his power and impressed the people of Jerusalem. Of course this is just rationalization, my point of vue, I cannot know what God thinks.

About the Old Testament, i already said it is not the same thing as the NT at all. It is a book of fairy tales, nothing more, and that is why i reject it. However the Gospels are, to me, a description of the life and death of the Son of God. I cannot prove it is since it happened 2000 years ago. No one will ever be able to definitely prove God exists because all historical evidence is relative.

[Thor]

However if Jesus can be resurrected, i do not see why the bodies of saints could not be reanimated as well.

Yes, if you accept unsubstantiated bullshit as real, you can believe ANYTHING!

Yes it is hard to believe but the resurrection is THE most important event in christianity.

It's not "hard" to believe... it's IMPOSSIBLE to believe!

God rarely shows his power openly,

More like he NEVER shows his power openly.

But for this event he showed the extent of his power and impressed the people of Jerusalem.

Then how come no one wrote about it? A man is crucified and three days later corpses are rising up out of graveyards and the executed man comes back to life, appears to a whole bunch of people, then ascends up to heaven.... and NO ONE thought to write down what they had witnessed? Not ONE historian thought this was enough of an event to record it? Zombies walking around and it doesn't get a mention... ANYWHERE?!?

Of course this is just rationalization, my point of vue,

Glad to see you admit it!

[True Christian]

However if Jesus can be resurrected, i do not see why the bodies of saints could not be reanimated as well.

Yes, if you accept unsubstantiated bullshit as real, you can believe ANYTHING!

Yes it is hard to believe but the resurrection is THE most important event in christianity.

It's not "hard" to believe... it's IMPOSSIBLE to believe!

God rarely shows his power openly,

More like he NEVER shows his power openly.

But for this event he showed the extent of his power and impressed the people of Jerusalem.

Then how come no one wrote about it? A man is crucified and three days later corpses are rising up out of graveyards and the executed man comes back to life, appears to a whole bunch of people, then ascends up to heaven.... and NO ONE thought to write down what they had witnessed? Not ONE historian thought this was enough of an event to record it? Zombies walking around and it doesn't get a mention... ANYWHERE?!?

Of course this is just rationalization, my point of vue,

Glad to see you admit it!

There are a number of reasons why the recording of this event cannot be found

-Very few people could write at that time, maybe in Jerusalem no such person was present that chose to record it. Even then, the written words of a single person, like a diary, is easily lost.
-It might have been destroyed by the romans/high priests to get rid of evidence for the troublemaker that Jesus was.
-It might have been lost in the 2000 years between then and now !

There is not evidence for everything. Some things just dont have several sources of evidence to back them up.

[theVOID]

There are a number of reasons why the recording of this event cannot be found

-Very few people could write at that time, maybe in Jerusalem no such person was present that chose to record it. Even then, the written words of a single person, like a diary, is easily lost.
-It might have been destroyed by the romans/high priests to get rid of evidence for the troublemaker that Jesus was.
-It might have been lost in the 2000 years between then and now !

There is not evidence for everything. Some things just dont have several sources of evidence to back them up.

You keep telling yourself that mate, but the truth of the matter is bronze age Palestine was remarkably well documented for the time, there are records of dozens of rather unremarkable street preachers and self proclaimed messiahs at the time but absolutely no historical record of the existence of Jesus - despite the fact that his miracles and ministry are claimed to have been widely known throughout the region.

Tell me this, considering you admit to the complete lack of evidence, why the hell do you give this book any merit? You can't establish the truth of any of it yet you hold positive belief... That is just plain stupid.

[Godscreated]

OOh, inter-christian squabbles

I think this is a good example of the differences between a liberal and a fundamentalist Christian..

You have got this one correct I am a fundamentalist christian and he is just a liberal. Christian is not a part of who he is,actually I'm not sure what he is except one who gives false testimony about Christ.
I know,I know the true scotsman thingy so do not bring it up many of you are questioning his claim.

[Thor]

There are a number of reasons why the recording of this event cannot be found

And here comes the rationalizing...

-Very few people could write at that time, maybe in Jerusalem no such person was present that chose to record it. Even then, the written words of a single person, like a diary, is easily lost.

There were a number of historians living in or near the area that Jesus supposedly lived. And NOT ONE mentions him. Pliny the Elder, Philo Judaeus and Seneca all lived during the time Jesus was supposedly running around performing miracles. And they make not one mention of him. Why wouldn't these historians record stories of a Jew who performed miraculous wonders, was executed and rose up from the dead after three days? Not to mention all the corpses crawling out of graveyards! A monumental event like this and none of these people write a sentence about any of it? Why would that be? Maybe because... IT NEVER HAPPENED?

-It might have been destroyed by the romans/high priests to get rid of evidence for the troublemaker that Jesus was.

Why would they want to get rid of of evidence relating to a "troublemaker" who was executed? And this fails to explain why none of the historians previously mentioned recorded the exploits of "Jesus".

-It might have been lost in the 2000 years between then and now !

The writings of Pliny the Elder, Philo Judaeus and Seneca all survived. Plus, we have many records from that era that have survived. The Romans were good record keepers. You'd think they would have mentioned this "Jesus" person SOMEWHERE.

There is not evidence for everything. Some things just dont have several sources of evidence to back them up.

"Several sources"? There are ZERO sources that support the story of "Jesus". And it's true that there is not evidence for everything. But there is nothing in any record or document that records a Jew who performed miracles, was tried, publicly executed and rose up from the dead? Surely, SOMEWHERE the tale of a man who came back to life and ascended to heaven in front of witnesses would have been written down. Especially since "Jesus" was supposedly a famous person for his time! Imagine researching Elvis and finding there was nothing written about him ANYWHERE during the time he was supposedly alive. What would that make you think?

[Minimalist]

However if Jesus can be resurrected, i do not see why the bodies of saints could not be reanimated as well.

There is that leap of logic (faith?) again. I'm curious to know if you can understand how we manage to reject BOTH concepts. It makes far more sense that no one was resurrected.


Aren't you the least bit curious that not a single first century writer bothered to mention any of this? Do you really think the story of someone coming back from the dead (or loads of dead people wandering around the streets of a major city) could have been bottled up that securely?

[Tiberius]

It is the presumption i was talking about, it seems you guys have as a first presumption that everything religious is wrong.

It's not a presumption...it's a conclusion.

[TheMultiverseTheory]

Keep pickin' those cherries.