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RE: Suggestion about suicide prevention
August 10, 2015 at 12:59 am
(August 9, 2015 at 11:52 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (August 9, 2015 at 10:45 pm)Shinagami Wrote: If I want to I'll do it. If not, I won't. Why do people care so much? Some of you don't even like me. haha.
Human life is sacred, and each person has something unique and special to offer to the world. Nah, sacred is a silly concept. But I do agree to the second part.
I don't think a person has any obligations to the world, it sounds nice but nothing more. But they do have an obligation to those who love and care about them including themselves.
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RE: Suggestion about suicide prevention
August 10, 2015 at 4:37 am
(August 9, 2015 at 11:52 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Human life is sacred, and each person has something unique and special to offer to the world.
But understand that with a real suicidal person you can do more harm than good with whatever you say. You're not traines to handle a situation like that. The only exception being someone you know really well on a face to face basis.
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RE: Suggestion about suicide prevention
August 10, 2015 at 10:21 am
(August 9, 2015 at 10:45 pm)Shinagami Wrote: If I want to I'll do it. If not, I won't. Why do people care so much? Some of you don't even like me. haha.
Because I've been in your shoes. I know what it's like, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
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RE: Suggestion about suicide prevention
August 10, 2015 at 10:27 am
(August 10, 2015 at 4:37 am)abaris Wrote: (August 9, 2015 at 11:52 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Human life is sacred, and each person has something unique and special to offer to the world.
But understand that with a real suicidal person you can do more harm than good with whatever you say. You're not traines to handle a situation like that. The only exception being someone you know really well on a face to face basis.
My suggestion on this thread was only to provide a resource for help, not to try to coach the person yourself.
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RE: Suggestion about suicide prevention
August 10, 2015 at 10:55 am
Just listen to Nancy Regan.
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RE: Suggestion about suicide prevention
August 10, 2015 at 10:56 am
Just say no?
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RE: Suggestion about suicide prevention
August 10, 2015 at 11:51 am
(August 9, 2015 at 8:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (August 9, 2015 at 7:34 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Proper gun control would be more effective.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine-fea...dden-toll/
I don't have a strong opinion about gun laws one way or the other, but if someone truly wanted to kill themselves they'd find a way to do it with or without a gun.
It is a question of effectiveness.
As the article notes:
Quote:Though guns are not the most common method by which people attempt suicide, they are the most lethal. About 85 percent of suicide attempts with a firearm end in death. (Drug overdose, the most widely used method in suicide attempts, is fatal in less than 3 percent of cases.) Moreover, guns are an irreversible solution to what is often a passing crisis. Suicidal individuals who take pills or inhale car exhaust or use razors have time to reconsider their actions or summon help. With a firearm, once the trigger is pulled, there’s no turning back.
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RE: Suggestion about suicide prevention
August 10, 2015 at 12:15 pm
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(August 10, 2015 at 11:51 am)Minimalist Wrote: It is a question of effectiveness.
As the article notes:
Top on the list of gun related fatalities in my country. Someone topping themselves. Second rank: someone offing their families often in combination with ensuing suicide.
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RE: Suggestion about suicide prevention
August 10, 2015 at 12:22 pm
Taking an overdose seems more like a cry for help.
To the actual gun-related suicides you have to add in all the "suicides by cop." They seem all too willing to oblige.
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RE: Suggestion about suicide prevention
August 10, 2015 at 12:30 pm
Well, I personally believe that we should educate people on the real consequences and ways to overcome depression. When you die, that's it, there are no second chances, and everything is lost. However, if someone feels that things are so terrible that they don't want to live anymore, it is their life, and it would be selfish to tell them to continue suffering so that someone else doesn't have to feel the pain of loosing them. I have struggled with depression in the past, so I know what its like, and I found the real cure for me was truly finding and loving myself, and making myself feel important to myself.
Loving yourself sounds easy, and for some people it may be, but it took me a long time to accept myself for who I am and be happy with myself, I think that is the real key to valuing your own life. The hard part was finding that on my own, because no one can really help you do it, and I believe it requires a higher intellect to even have a chance at understanding what it means to love yourself. To start, I had to find independent qualities within myself that make me feel good about who I am, and after I found those qualities I defined myself by them. Once I knew who I was, and became happy with who I was, I found an independent source of happiness within myself that could not be extinguished by environmental factors. I no longer relied on the approval (and/or acceptance) of my piers, I no longer felt the overwhelming desire for companionship and the pain of being alone, I became my own support system and established a close relationship with myself. This may sound a little confusing because it is really hard to explain accurately, but I saw myself from "third person" point of view as well as first person. I cared about myself in the same way you would care about others close to you (if that makes sense at all). It helped me to feel not so alone. All of this may sound ridiculous or naïve, but it worked for me. Anyways, I believe trying to get people to that point would help a lot, or who knows, maybe I'm just crazy and talking out of my ass. A simpler thought would be "You only get one life so if you have nothing to lose, why not just roll the dice?, you can always die later". Anyways, that's my thoughts on the subject, and I hope it helped.
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