Fact, every single german nazi was a christian

[Cephus]

Communism is an atheist movement, in the sense that it supports no religions.

The same is true of the US constitution to the never-ending annoyance of xtian fucktards everywhere.

Again, the word you need is "secular."

Atheism is, by its very nature, secular.

[Dystopia]

I'll keep my controversial stance - Nazism is, by it's very nature, profoundly anti-religious because you can only strongly worship and obey one being at a time. Hitler might have been a Christian - He could have been anything in his most intimate private life - It does happen he seemed to enjoy animals, at least dogs, and he also enjoyed painting. None of that is relevant o Nazism. Nazism is based on eugenics and scientific racism theories that were very popular in the US and the western world at the time, Hitler was actually very influenced by all these pseudo-scientific theories - Some of them even lead to the creation of eugenics attempt like in Sweden with forced sterilization. You can't theologically justify the Holocaust using Christianity, and the scientific racism implicit is not able to be justified by any religion as most of them are incapable of even explaining the most basic facts. Hitler might have been a Christian, he might have used Christianity as a tool mechanism, but that's nowhere as relevant for his ideology. European nazi groups accept people who are atheists for a reason - It's not a fundamental component. Fascism and national-socialism have always been profoundly incompatible with religion, and only use it as useful tool to manipulate people.

Your OP title is retarded.



As for communism, give me a break - Some kinds of democratic socialism are secular but communism is itself an atheistic ideology in its core. You can use mental gymnastics to be a communist and a Christian as most early utopian communists were, but Marx's dialectic materialism is hardly compatible with any god or supernatural.

[BitchinHitchins]

It seriously annoys me when people (such as Bill O'Reilly) try to make a point against atheists by bringing up Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao Tse Tung. These men did terrible things but they just so happen to be atheists. They did not commit their acts in the name of atheism like Hitler did in his regime.

Check this out.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSxiRw-BBqY

[Dystopia]

Actually, atheism was a fundamental component of all those people's ideologies - Just think about it, communism was rampant back then and to be a communist you almost certainly had to be an atheist, at least on paper, so if you take atheism out of the picture that's a strong reason for the communist party to ignore you or worse, kill you, and therefore you wouldn't even have the chance to commit any crime against mankind. Many atheists think it's rationally consistent to blame Christianity or any other religion for the actions of X or Y people (even if X and Y people are fundamentally inspired by different reasons and live in different environments, for different goals etc) but suddenly when atheism plays a minor role in something it is not possible. Atheism wasn't always a lack of belief in god, it used to be a strong disbelief in deities and the adherence to strict materialism and rejection of the supernatural in its entirety. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot didn't happen to be atheists - That's a dumb statement at worst, ignorance at best - They happened to be atheists as much as they happened to be communists. It's not comparable to the fact they had mustaches because atheism was a fundamental trait of their ideologies and was interpreted very differently compared to the modern, almost evasive and intellectually reductionist definitions of atheism.

IMO, we shouldn't even care about the argument at all - Arguably all of those people are inspiring for Marxists and setting aside poor decisions and terrible actions all of them, specially Lenin and Stalin, wrote great books - Worth a read - We keep evaluating it with a western concept of morality but it's necessary to put ourselves back in the day's mentality and cultural norms.

[The Valkyrie]

I've always said that the hard-line communist states weren't atheistic. They replaced the worship of a deity with the worship of the state or a cult of personality based around a person. That, to me, is not atheism.

Look at North Korea, as Hitchens pointed out, they basically have a trinity.

As to the Nazis, who can truly say that they were ALL Christians. Certainly many were, though their Christianity had much paganism among the tenets (just as Christianity does today). Certainly the main doctrine was religiously based.

ANd many of the leaders adhered to the doctrines of the core beliefs. But then, with the fanaticism of the inner circle, not to do so would likely mean death.

[Dystopia]

I've always said that the hard-line communist states weren't atheistic. They replaced the worship of a deity with the worship of the state or a cult of personality based around a person. That, to me, is not atheism.

Look at North Korea, as Hitchens pointed out, they basically have a trinity.

As to the Nazis, who can truly say that they were ALL Christians. Certainly many were, though their Christianity had much paganism among the tenets (just as Christianity does today). Certainly the main doctrine was religiously based.

ANd many of the leaders adhered to the doctrines of the core beliefs. But then, with the fanaticism of the inner circle, not to do so would likely mean death.

Meh how do you justify scientific racism with the bible? Seriously, google 'california eugenics' and see where Hitler learned the core tennets. As for your comment that communist states werent't atheistic, that's kinda like saying salt water is not salty. Did you know there was a census on Soviet Russia during Stalin's time that revealed a significant part of the population believed in god? What happened? Well it was hidden because under the normal rules all those people would have to be considered traitors and 'taken care of'. Atheism is almost fundamental to communism and while there are some deviations it remains the rule because of Marx's dialectical materialism

[The Valkyrie]

I made no mention of eugenics or racism.

I was not actually addressing that, merely the religiosity of the Nazis, as per the original post.

As to the atheistic tendencies of the communist regimes, while yes, they are technically atheistic, I stand by my comparison.

[smsavage32]

I think that the notion to point out Hitler's affiliation with Christianity is a reaction to the Christians claiming that he did what he did because he was an atheist.

Growing up in a Baptist church, I heard this quite often.

"Hitler murdered the Jews because he was Atheist."
"This is what Atheists do."
"Hitler's actions prove it."

Get's old.

[abaris]

Meh how do you justify scientific racism with the bible? Seriously,  google 'california eugenics'  and see where Hitler learned the core tennets.

Careful. Again a simplistic view that doesn't cut it. Pseudoscientific racism came into the mix a some time, but Hitler's opinions were formed by largely overlooked figures like Guido von List, Georg Ritter von Schönerer, Karl Lueger or the even more ludicrous Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels and his periodical Ostara.



That's the flag, Lanz von Liebenfels designed for his Ordo Novi Templi (New Templars). In 1907.

Of course that's not all what made Hitler, but to pick out one element and call it the foundation or the reasoning behing the nazi movement, is doing history no credit and doesn't help in looking at the matter. Which, as I may repeat, is very complex and still debated among historians.

[Alex K]

Very interesting abaris, I hadn't really heard of those influences.