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RE: Neil Degrasse Tyson
August 19, 2015 at 10:35 am
(August 18, 2015 at 7:05 pm)Shuffle Wrote: (August 14, 2015 at 8:53 pm)Cephus Wrote: I'm not the one saying one exists. You did. You define it. You don't believe that a single atheist movement exists or ever did exist? Really?
Nope. If you think one did, produce evidence.
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RE: Neil Degrasse Tyson
August 19, 2015 at 7:33 pm
(August 19, 2015 at 10:35 am)Cephus Wrote: (August 18, 2015 at 7:05 pm)Shuffle Wrote: You don't believe that a single atheist movement exists or ever did exist? Really?
Nope. If you think one did, produce evidence. There you go!
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RE: Neil Degrasse Tyson
August 19, 2015 at 8:15 pm
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(August 14, 2015 at 12:59 am)Shuffle Wrote: I wanted to know your guys' thoughts on Neil, because I have a very different view of him than many other atheists might have.
I believe that he is a great scientist and is really smart, however his attitudes towards atheism are very cowardly. In the video below he makes many cringe worthy statements. For example at around the 25 second mark he calls atheism a philosophy and claims that with it comes baggage. He also is extremely ignorant when it comes to the terms atheism and agnosticism.
I think it is time that we completely disassociate him from the atheism movement, because that is what he wants us to do.
I always liked him as a scientist. He's right as far as the first part goes. Once you identify as part of a group people on the opposite side puts you into stereotypes, regardless of what group you're in, and that doesn't help when you're trying to have a conversation. As for the rest, I don't care what he wants to call himself, but I never paid much attention to him beyond his expertise.
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RE: Neil Degrasse Tyson
August 19, 2015 at 8:53 pm
(August 14, 2015 at 12:59 am)Shuffle Wrote: I think it is time that we completely disassociate him from the atheism movement, because that is what he wants us to do.
This comment has Atheism+ stink all over it.
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RE: Neil Degrasse Tyson
August 19, 2015 at 9:03 pm
I'm tired of these "we are the atheist movement, you're with us or against us!" types running around on the Internetz. 
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RE: Neil Degrasse Tyson
August 19, 2015 at 9:08 pm
(August 19, 2015 at 9:03 pm)Pizza Wrote: I'm tired of these "we are the atheist movement, you're with us or against us!" types running around on the Internetz. I am not part of any movements as of now... I am sorry if I used words I shouldn't have in the OP. It really sucks that everyone harps on every single word as though I took days to write it.
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RE: Neil Degrasse Tyson
August 19, 2015 at 10:50 pm
I'll say this: whichever name it has in the end, I decree that NdGT is in my movement 
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RE: Neil Degrasse Tyson
August 19, 2015 at 11:57 pm
(This post was last modified: August 19, 2015 at 11:57 pm by robvalue.)
Couldn't his article say something like "Nelly DeGrapes identifies as an agnostic, although some would argue that he is (also) an atheist."
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RE: Neil Degrasse Tyson
August 20, 2015 at 12:37 am
(August 19, 2015 at 7:33 pm)Shuffle Wrote: (August 19, 2015 at 10:35 am)Cephus Wrote: Nope. If you think one did, produce evidence. There you go!
That's not a movement, that's something that wasn't started by atheists, it's something that was "identified" by theists, just because atheists were not being forced to remain silent about their lack of beliefs. There are no stated goals to this supposed movement. It's just atheists who refuse to be shut up by the religious.
Try again.
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RE: Neil Degrasse Tyson
August 20, 2015 at 1:40 am
(August 20, 2015 at 12:37 am)Cephus Wrote: That's not a movement, that's something that wasn't started by atheists, it's something that was "identified" by theists, just because atheists were not being forced to remain silent about their lack of beliefs. There are no stated goals to this supposed movement. It's just atheists who refuse to be shut up by the religious.
Try again. Did you even open the link?! It states the goals of the movement in the first paragraph!
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