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RE: STUDY: Want ‘sustained happiness’? Get religion.
August 17, 2015 at 8:08 am
Well as I've already said it's a proper peer reviewed paper, and the data they drew on is from SHARE, therefore they are not in control of what questions to ask, and as a survey there can't be a "control group". You can only have a control group with a controlled study, and for that you need to direct people what activities they are to do and not to do.
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RE: STUDY: Want ‘sustained happiness’? Get religion.
August 17, 2015 at 10:24 am
(August 17, 2015 at 12:26 am)Aractus Wrote: (August 16, 2015 at 6:08 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Whether people are happier with religion (which these studies fail to show) ...
Incorrect. Multiple studies have shown it and I provided a list of them from the reference list in the Croezen et al. 2015 article. Your beliefs are just as blind as any religious zealot when you refuse to accept published evidence, and then trash-talk scientific papers without even having read any of them.
And your assumption that I haven't read the paper is just as bad as any theists claims that atheists are merely angry at gawd.
Yes, I was incorrect. I should have stated that the papers fail to prove that religion makes people happier the all other secular activities. I misspoke.
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RE: STUDY: Want ‘sustained happiness’? Get religion.
August 17, 2015 at 10:55 am
I'd be interested in how "sustained happiness" is being defined. Equanimity can be sustained, but I'm not sure about euphoria.
Aractus, from your reading of the paper do you recall if a definition was given?
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RE: STUDY: Want ‘sustained happiness’? Get religion.
August 17, 2015 at 11:22 am
As I mentioned that particular paper is concerned with depressive disorders not overall happiness or for that matter any other specific mental disorders. You have to realise that these papers have huge value when it comes to healthcare because it provides a foundation for what needs to be delivered for individual patient care. Providing patients suffering from depressive disorders with the regular opportunity to practise their religious beliefs seems to be a very important tool to help their health. And it's not just depressive disorders, yes this specific paper deals with depressive disorders, but it can also help stave off dementia and other non-communicable illnesses. Happiness will follow because healthier people are happier people.
I should note however that I've seen no evidence that converting to religion will provide the effect, and I would assume that the effect would be strongest for people who have deeper religious beliefs and practises, and I wouldn't think simply converting to religion would have any health effect, at least not immediately.
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RE: STUDY: Want ‘sustained happiness’? Get religion.
August 17, 2015 at 4:21 pm
(August 15, 2015 at 11:20 am)abaris Wrote: Wow, Sherlok, who would have guessed?
Quote:We examined whether changes in different forms of social participation were associated with changes in depressive symptoms in older Europeans.
You are aware that religion is only one kind of social participation? Also, did you read or acknowledge this?
Quote:Participation in religious organizations may offer mental health benefits beyond those offered by other forms of social participation.
I mean the bolded part. May...
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August 17, 2015 at 4:24 pm
(August 15, 2015 at 11:56 am)Exian Wrote: I find my participating in social gatherings lowers my happiness and increases my anxiety. I also get headaches, stomach aches, an nausea until I get home, and that's just hanging out at a friends house.
Sounds like the snacks were bad to me. 
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August 17, 2015 at 4:28 pm
(August 17, 2015 at 4:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: In evolutionist propaganda, may means an undisputed fact.
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Care to give any examples where the word may is used as scientific fact?
Still waiting by the way.
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August 17, 2015 at 5:34 pm
(August 17, 2015 at 4:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: (August 15, 2015 at 11:20 am)abaris Wrote: Wow, Sherlok, who would have guessed?
You are aware that religion is only one kind of social participation? Also, did you read or acknowledge this?
I mean the bolded part. May...
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Established scientific facts don't require propaganda.
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August 17, 2015 at 8:49 pm
(August 17, 2015 at 5:34 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: (August 17, 2015 at 4:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: In evolutionist propaganda, may means an undisputed fact.
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Established scientific facts don't require propaganda.
That's why evolution has so much propaganda devoted to it, and words like may, could be, if, might be and ect.
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RE: STUDY: Want ‘sustained happiness’? Get religion.
August 17, 2015 at 8:50 pm
(August 17, 2015 at 4:28 pm)abaris Wrote: (August 17, 2015 at 4:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: In evolutionist propaganda, may means an undisputed fact.
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Care to give any examples where the word may is used as scientific fact?
Still waiting by the way.
It's in all the propaganda and apparently the propaganda and the deceptive wording is working on some.
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