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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 4:01 pm
(August 18, 2015 at 3:47 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: This is a noble question, but as a 14 yr old pastor's daughter I must ask the intent. Are you experiencing doubt or looking for ways to speak to non-believers maybe? I applaud you not wanting to preach at people, but I'm still intrigued by the purpose of asking the question.
Which also begs the question as to how a 14 yearl-old can be a born again. At that point, you've barely reached the age of reason.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 4:01 pm
ChadWooters Wrote:msid Wrote:hello, i am a born again christian who is looking to understand and discuss your reasons for being an athiest. i am NOT here to argue or change your mind. People can be atheists as a result of general ignorance; however you will find that many fight against rational faith. They do so for many reasons: previous experiences with unloving Christians, exposure half-truths and lies about the Gospel, or just a general desire to justify sinful sensuality and the conveniences of selfishness.
Of course, you've found virtually no support for those contentions here, but that won't stop you from saying it anyway.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 4:02 pm
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(August 18, 2015 at 3:48 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: (August 18, 2015 at 7:33 am)Stimbo Wrote: I have no idea what an "athiest" is. The state of being the most athie? You know how to make me laugh.
Don't encourage him! He's insufferable when he gets on one of his "atheier than thou" kicks. No one believes less. No one is more skeptical. No one can blaspheme better. Fuck. With Stimbo, it's one atheist dick measuring contest after another.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 4:04 pm
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ChadWooters Wrote:Crossless1 Wrote:Right. Then there's that part about Christians failing to provide compelling evidence or arguments.
Both the evidence and arguments have been provided throughout history. You atheists just come up with excuses for not accepting them. The Holy Spirit is reaching out to you but you will not listen. If by 'excuses' you mean 'well thought-out valid reasons as to why the supposed evidence isn't and why the arguments fail', I suppose you may have a point about why we don't accept them.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 4:20 pm
(August 18, 2015 at 4:01 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (August 18, 2015 at 3:47 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: This is a noble question, but as a 14 yr old pastor's daughter I must ask the intent. Are you experiencing doubt or looking for ways to speak to non-believers maybe? I applaud you not wanting to preach at people, but I'm still intrigued by the purpose of asking the question.
Which also begs the question as to how a 14 yearl-old can be a born again. At that point, you've barely reached the age of reason.
I think you answered your own question. What better time to be 'born again' than when one has barely reached the age of reason or had time to be exposed to anything other than Dad's religion?
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 5:23 pm
(August 18, 2015 at 4:01 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (August 18, 2015 at 3:47 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: This is a noble question, but as a 14 yr old pastor's daughter I must ask the intent. Are you experiencing doubt or looking for ways to speak to non-believers maybe? I applaud you not wanting to preach at people, but I'm still intrigued by the purpose of asking the question.
Which also begs the question as to how a 14 yearl-old can be a born again. At that point, you've barely reached the age of reason.
A pastor's daughter nonetheless.
She's either genuinely questioning and she's trying to convince herself by becoming born again, in which case why scare her off? Or it's a fake story.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 5:32 pm
(August 18, 2015 at 5:23 pm)I_am_not_mafia Wrote: (August 18, 2015 at 4:01 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Which also begs the question as to how a 14 yearl-old can be a born again. At that point, you've barely reached the age of reason.
A pastor's daughter nonetheless.
She's either genuinely questioning and she's trying to convince herself by becoming born again, in which case why scare her off? Or it's a fake story.
Another possibility is that she is conducting some kind of half-assed research to understand atheists in order to improve her proselytizing efforts. Of course, that would depend on her belonging to certain denominations rather than others. There probably aren't a lot of Episcopalian kids breaking their asses witnessing to others about Jesus. But a Baptist or Pentecostal kid (and a pastor's daughter on top of it)? I've known many who drank the Kool-Aid at a young age and who were just as obnoxious in their "outreach" as their elders.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 5:34 pm
Aww now she's gone. I wanted to tell her the good news about the big bang!
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 5:43 pm
(August 18, 2015 at 11:48 am)Crossless1 Wrote: (August 18, 2015 at 11:44 am)msid Wrote: sorry im trying to reply to all of these,
God will never change anyones free will but he can change circumstances and things through prayer.
for instance our family needed a car because our old one broke down and we prayed for weeks and a friend of my parents was told by her eye doctor (about the same time we were praying) that her eyesight was too bad to drive, she had known that it was bad for a while but she diddnt have any need to drive other then groceries and church which she had plans worked out for. we got the car for a very low price and it is very nice and hasnt had any problems
that is one expample where God changed circumstances with prayer
Someone needed a car and (amazingly!) someone else was getting rid of one. That's some solid evidence, msid! You're right: it must have been Yahweh/Jesus/Superman. 
Mind is so blown.
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RE: christian looking to understand athiests
August 18, 2015 at 5:46 pm
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(August 18, 2015 at 12:02 pm)Javaman Wrote: (August 18, 2015 at 11:44 am)msid Wrote: sorry im trying to reply to all of these,
God will never change anyones free will but he can change circumstances and things through prayer.
for instance our family needed a car because our old one broke down and we prayed for weeks and a friend of my parents was told by her eye doctor (about the same time we were praying) that her eyesight was too bad to drive, she had known that it was bad for a while but she diddnt have any need to drive other then groceries and church which she had plans worked out for. we got the car for a very low price and it is very nice and hasnt had any problems
that is one expample where God changed circumstances with prayer
Checkmate robvalue!
Did you see the car before you paid for it?
So your god answered your prayers by degrading someone else's eyesight to the point where they were no longer allowed to drive, thereby compelling her to sell off her car at discounted price?
Did nobody think to pray for this woman's eyesight to improve?
That's okay. The person whose eye sight was degraded by God so that she would be prompted to make that car available as planned still had free will. Blind perhaps but still free to see this turn of events as a blessing or a curse. I wonder which way she went?
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