Not all Muslims are Terrorists!

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I love it when people I am having a discussion with just leave without warning. It is a really cool thing to do.

Believe it or not people have lives outside of this forum.

Says the person that has spent more than 3 months of his life on here.

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Take a look through this list, and try to find a non muslim. It is a little game a like to play, which I have called, "Find That Non-Muslim." I haven't won yet.

January 13, Donetsk People's Republic, Ukrainian Christian Orthodox. Just the first one I came across (and it's very debatable whether the list is properly distinguishing terrorist attacks...what does it take to get Mexican drug cartels classified as terrorist groups? They've done in around 13,000 civilians and police so far this year). You're not very good at the liittle game you like to play, are you?

Ah! Damn it. You found one! Ok, lets play a new game. Try to find one that was committed by a muslim. Oh wait, 99% of them are. Shit.

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It does matter, but I think the question is are they doing it because of their religion or in spite of it? For other reasons? For me it's the former. There are obviously other factors that contribute, I don't ignore them. The middle east for example has been a shithole since the dawn of time, ISIS have very good recruitment tactics etc. But Islam is the main justification and at the heart of these factors. Lots of other things are factors too ofcourse, politics for example. But there's only really one religion you keep hearing about in the news that's causing attack after attack after attack. Problem after problem after problem.

Bringing this back to the OP, is it then unreasonable for people to have a level of prejudice against muslims? To be fearful of them? I don't think so. I don't think prejudices are rational ofcourse, but I don't think they're always unreasonable. But then on the flip side no one has, to my knowledge, ever said 'all muslims are terrorists'. And this is an argument that does come up quite a bit. What people tend to be is just fearful in general (or weary, I don't like the word 'fearful' in this context, kind of like how people say "Islamophobia", umm, I don't think anyone screams at the sight of a muslim, unless ofcourse they board your train with an AK-47).

If Islam (or some other new religion) hadn't come along, the region would be largely Orthodox Christian. It would still be tribal, the women would still be covering their heads. If their political history remained roughly the same (we still deposed the Shah's predecessor, we still supported the rural tribes against the Soviets in Afghanistan, we still deposed the secular strongman ruling Iraq, etc.), you think we wouldn't be having these problems if the region were predominantly Christian?

America is predominantly Christian.

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January 13, Donetsk People's Republic, Ukrainian Christian Orthodox. Just the first one I came across (and it's very debatable whether the list is properly distinguishing terrorist attacks...what does it take to get Mexican drug cartels classified as terrorist groups? They've done in around 13,000 civilians and police so far this year). You're not very good at the liittle game you like to play, are you?

Ah! Damn it. You found one! Ok, lets play a new game. Try to find one that was committed by a muslim. Oh wait, 99% of them are. Shit.

I very rarely call "trolling", but the fact that you're still making this claim even after it's been demonstrated false is certain trollery, especially considering that you haven't said anything about the numbers, graphs, and text that rebut your claim.

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Racism? What the fuck does race have to do with this?

There seems to be a high correlation of entire demographics being under suspicion for the actions of a few when the demographic is mainly non-European in ethnicity. White Christians can kill a roomful of black people or blow up an abortion clinic or shoot up schools without calls to profile whites or Christians.

But if it's a swarthy-skinned or slant-eyed foriegner, the response is...different. His race won't be questioned, but his nationality or religion will be used as a basis to drum up hate. But it's nothing to do with complexion. Honest.

List 5 incidents in which white christians kill roomfuls of black people. Just 5. That is all I want.

Do you know exactly how many abortion doctors have been killed? 7. 7. In ALLLLLLLL of history, 7 have been killed. Yup, you are right. That IS a big problem.

School shootings are not listed as terrorism, because they are almost never done because of religious or political movements. Try again.

So, after all that being said, I do not see any correlation between Islam and race.

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Oh please, please tell me about the rampant Christian terrorism spreading across the country.

Oh please, please tell me about the rampant Sufi terrorism spreading across the country.

Ok, thanks for dodging my question. That was great.
And no, there is not Sufi terrorism spreading across the country because muslims make up 0.2% of America's population. Why would they be a problem?

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Um, no. You are wrong I have given this link out 2 other times, and each time I do, the people ignore it and don't post back.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_te...ents,_2015

At the very top of that page is this disclaimer:

The neutrality of this article is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved. (August 2015)

How in the world do you expect to have credibility when you cite a source so shaky that it admits it before you've read the first word? Did you not see that disclaimer? Or -- and this is my suspicion -- you saw it and kept on reading, and once you discovered that the data supported your bias, you decided that the obvious concerns that the editors there have were unfounded?

Sorry, I want impartial data, not cooked books.

Here's what I've found, for America:

This listing by the FBI of attacks going back to 1980 clearly demonstrates that less than 99% of all terrorist attacks in America were committed by Muslims. You'll notice that I went directly to a source which is required by law to collate ALL these statistics.

According to Global Research:

Terrorism Is a Real Threat … But the Threat to the U.S. from Muslim Terrorists Has Been Exaggerated

An FBI report shows that only a small percentage of terrorist attacks carried out on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were perpetrated by Muslims.

Princeton University’s Loon Watch compiled the following chart from the FBI’s data:



According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%).  These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion.  These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.

(Loon Watch also notes that less than 1% of terror attacks in Europe were carried out by Muslims.)

You can read the entire article here.

So on the one hand we have a government source legally bound to collate all the data on these incidents, and on the other we have you waving around a wiki article that is disputed by its own authors. Forgive me for thinking that your argument is horseshit ... but it is.

Ok, sorry. Would you like to peruse this website? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html

Or this one? http://www.jihadwatch.org/

I can keep linking websites until we find one that you like.

And that pie chart is hilarious! First off, I said DEATHS, not attacks. Secondly, why the fuck is it in America?! Muslims make up 0.2% of America's population. 0.2% is responsible for 6% of terrorist attacks. How is that reasonable?

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Ah! Damn it. You found one! Ok, lets play a new game. Try to find one that was committed by a muslim. Oh wait, 99% of them are. Shit.

I very rarely call "trolling", but the fact that you're still making this claim even after it's been demonstrated false is certain trollery, especially considering that you haven't said anything about the numbers, graphs, and text that rebut your claim.

Just did. Now it is your turn.

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Um, no. You are wrong I have given this link out 2 other times, and each time I do, the people ignore it and don't post back.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_te...ents,_2015

I'm only addressing this because you whinged about people ignoring it.

This is not proof that 99% of terrorist attacks are perpetrated by muslims. It's just not. For one, as Parkers Tan has already pointed out, the article itself suggests it's unreliable. For two, unless it's a well estabilished wiki article with no problems like the one brought up in the article headline, I'm not inclined to find it a good source. For three, it doesn't even support your assertion of 99% anyway. For four, myself and Cato have already posted stats that seem to contradict your own, self-admitted-untrustworthy article.

So with that, carry on this stupid discussion. I'm done.

I just responded to all of the posts directed towards me. I couldn't do it earlier.

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Can I just go ahead and say that what is dangerous about Islam isn't terrorism. I mean even if every terrorist attack was made by Muslims, in the year 2006 more people in Canada died from drowning in their bath tubs. ( I cite readers digest for that). In fact what is dangerous about Islam is the anti enlightenment values it holds and the PC types preventing us from critizing some very fucked up facts about Islam.
The tagline used by PC types is "That's racist" which to me calling Islam a race (which you do when you say critizing Islam is racist) is so narrow minded and Eurocentric that's it's a imbecilic statement. Persians and Berbers are not the same race but they are both mostly Muslim. But call an Iranian a Berber and he may be offended.
What's worse is that many of the liberals that tried to be fair to Islam are now turning against it as the moderates berate things like women's right and gay rightz. So in short what is dangerous about Islam is the vile shit many Muslims say combined with this censorship around it. Now throw the fact that Islam mandates a law system and you see the danger.