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RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 11, 2015 at 4:16 pm
(September 11, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Drich Wrote: (September 11, 2015 at 2:11 pm)Stimbo Wrote: And if you pay very close attention you'll see that Alec Guinness is replaced by a mannequin on wires, followed by a jump cut of empty sliced robes falling.
Even the Force rationalisation doesn’t hold with the line "If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine".
So Force magic or editing magic? And how do we know it happened at all?
It depends if your looking from an editing perspective or a story line perspective. In a sense, "what I told you was true, from a certain point of view."
That was actually pretty good. 
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 11, 2015 at 4:18 pm
(September 11, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Drich Wrote: (September 11, 2015 at 2:11 pm)Stimbo Wrote: And if you pay very close attention you'll see that Alec Guinness is replaced by a mannequin on wires, followed by a jump cut of empty sliced robes falling.
Even the Force rationalisation doesn’t hold with the line "If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine".
So Force magic or editing magic? And how do we know it happened at all?
It depends if your looking from an editing perspective or a story line perspective. In a sense, "what I told you was true, from a certain point of view."
Nice! 
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 12, 2015 at 12:20 am
(September 11, 2015 at 1:10 pm)lkingpinl Wrote: (September 11, 2015 at 11:44 am)dyresand Wrote: i highly doubt jesus existed for many reasosn. Also the fact said person "died" and came back to life is also very questionable.
I mean really he died and came back to life people back then never heard of weak pulse or shallow breath so the guy more than likely if he had
existed was pretty much alive so for those 3 days he was "dead" he was pretty fucked up and resting up then goes to his people talks to them
and leaves walking into desert to go fuck off.
Do you really think the wounds he would have endured from the lashings and crucifixion would "recover" in three days time? And how could he recover being sealed in a tomb alone for three days? I don't see how you find that logical. I know if I had a spear thrust in to my side and somehow lived and was locked in a cell alone for three days, not only would the hole still be there, but probably festered and infected and sure as hell wouldn't be able to walk around like all was well.
Refer to this song Oh holy night.
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RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 12, 2015 at 12:52 am
(September 11, 2015 at 1:31 pm)Drich Wrote:
Quote:Maybe look up tertiary source while your at it. The Gospels are recorded eye witness accounts. which makes them Primary arguably secondary source material.
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I'm trying to recall the name of the guy who was with Jesus on his fast in the desert for forty days and nights. He was with Jesus when the devil showed him all of the kingdoms on Earth and offered them to Jesus if only Jesus would worship him. Do you know the name of that guy? My memory isn't what it used to be.
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RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 12, 2015 at 12:57 am
Darren.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 12, 2015 at 1:18 am
(September 12, 2015 at 12:20 am)dyresand Wrote: Refer to this song Oh holy night.
Die-hard atheist, here, but O Holy Night is one of my favorite songs of all time.
The a capella version that played on the show The West Wing is, the episode "Holy Night", sung by the Whiffenpoofs is, in my opinion, the best. Can't find it online to post, though.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 12, 2015 at 1:45 am
Quote:I'm trying to recall the name of the guy who was with Jesus on his fast in the desert for forty days and nights.
Bruce. 40 days of kinky butt-sex in the desert.
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RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 12, 2015 at 2:31 am
(September 12, 2015 at 1:18 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (September 12, 2015 at 12:20 am)dyresand Wrote: Refer to this song Oh holy night.
Die-hard atheist, here, but O Holy Night is one of my favorite songs of all time.
The a capella version that played on the show The West Wing is, the episode "Holy Night", sung by the Whiffenpoofs is, in my opinion, the best. Can't find it online to post, though.
This one?
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
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RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 12, 2015 at 3:03 am
Yes. I was looking for the one that included the actual video of the show, but that was taken down.
There's just something so pure and beautiful about that particular performance. There are other videos of the Whiffenpoofs doing that song, but I think the WW version is the best. I also like the version the little girl (Jackie Evancho) did at the White House Christmas tree lighting ceremony in 2010, but unfortunately, Common gets all religious-y, talking to her at the end, which kinda ruins the effect for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Q7AFys6bA
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Christians - What would you do if it were discovered Jesus never existed?
September 12, 2015 at 3:27 am
Of course, the nonexistence of Jesus would change nothing, as the nonexistence of Adam and Eve, Noah, the exodus from Egypt, and all of the other "Jewish myths" (to quote the New Testament) have demonstrated; the next move would be the same as always:
ALLEGORIZE! It's theology's way of ensuring that there are always jobs available.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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