Anti-Vaxxer Sympathy

[John V]

[Edwardo Piet]

It makes me so disgusted this Anti-vax shit.

It makes me sick like the Jehovah's Witnesses denying children fucking blood transfusions!

The JWs do more damage than fucking knocking on your door and being annoying cunts!

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[Aractus]

It makes me so disgusted this Anti-vax shit.

It makes me sick like the Jehovah's Witnesses denying children fucking blood transfusions!

The JWs do more damage than fucking knocking on your door and being annoying cunts!

God I get sick of listening to this attitude. I used to have a similar attitude, but then I matured.

JW's are not the problem. They are healthcare consumers like everyone else, and you never blame the consumer for being "wrong".

There are two issues in your post - the first is people who deny their child a vaccination. This doesn't matter - it really doesn't. Individuals can choose not to vaccinate and it won't make a difference so long as you get 95% of children vaccinated. So stop wasting time and effort on the few people who are actually opposed (which isn't very many), and instead concentrate on the people who aren't actively opposed, but have missed vaccinations for a variety of reasons. I guarantee you that it's possible to exceed 95% vaccination rates without worrying about the people who are actually anti-vaccination.

The second issue is denying your a child lifesaving medical care. Again, in this instance it actually doesn't matter what parents want or believe, it should be possible for healthcare providers to provide certain treatments for children even if their parents are opposed.

But there's a limit as well you know. Sometimes parents force children who dying of cancer or other conditions to undergo numerous treatments, even treatments that have no real prospect of success. But the children would often rather spend their time doing things they enjoy than undergoing treatments in hospitals that are not going to actually help them. Unfortunately, these parents do not listen to healthcare providers when they recommend that treatment stops. They will even travel internationally to find other healthcare providers who continue treatment, rather than let their child spend their limited life doing other things.

[Mermaid]

It makes me so disgusted this Anti-vax shit.

It makes me sick like the Jehovah's Witnesses denying children fucking blood transfusions!

The JWs do more damage than fucking knocking on your door and being annoying cunts!

God I get sick of listening to this attitude. I used to have a similar attitude, but then I matured.

JW's are not the problem. They are healthcare consumers like everyone else, and you never blame the consumer for being "wrong".

There are two issues in your post - the first is people who deny their child a vaccination. This doesn't matter - it really doesn't. Individuals can choose not to vaccinate and it won't make a difference so long as you get 95% of children vaccinated. So stop wasting time and effort on the few people who are actually opposed (which isn't very many), and instead concentrate on the people who aren't actively opposed, but have missed vaccinations for a variety of reasons. I guarantee you that it's possible to exceed 95% vaccination rates without worrying about the people who are actually anti-vaccination.

Yes, it DOES matter. This sort of shit causes very real consequences. There have been measles outbreaks in the US in the last year. There is no excuse for this at all. It is not true that there aren't many anti-vaccination people. These assholes are putting people at very real, tangible risk of contracting PREVENTABLE diseases.

[The Grand Nudger]

There are two issues in your post - the first is people who deny their child a vaccination. This doesn't matter - it really doesn't. Individuals can choose not to vaccinate and it won't make a difference so long as you get 95% of children vaccinated. So stop wasting time and effort on the few people who are actually opposed (which isn't very many), and instead concentrate on the people who aren't actively opposed, but have missed vaccinations for a variety of reasons. I guarantee you that it's possible to exceed 95% vaccination rates without worrying about the people who are actually anti-vaccination.

It may be, let's hope that it is - but why can't we, and why shouldn't we address both issues?  If the goal is hitting a number, then getting one person who's just behind and getting one person who has some objection "x" moves us towards that goal equally.  One's harder...is that your objection.  Really?  

The second issue is denying your a child lifesaving medical care. Again, in this instance it actually doesn't matter what parents want or believe, it should be possible for healthcare providers to provide certain treatments for children even if their parents are opposed.

Here...in the US, it does matter...even if it shouldn't.  It does matter what they believe, because what they believe is precisely why they deny the care, and why we pussyfoot around it.

[Aractus]

Yes, it DOES matter. This sort of shit causes very real consequences. There have been measles outbreaks in the US in the last year. There is no excuse for this at all. It is not true that there aren't many anti-vaccination people. These assholes are putting people at very real, tangible risk of contracting PREVENTABLE diseases.

So what - who cares? It's fucking measles in a first-world country where there's almost no chance of mortality from it.

Did anyone at all actually die in the outbreak from measles?

Do you realise you're labelling everyone who didn't vaccinate as "assholes" when in fact many people who don't vaccinate their child have done so because of medical reasons, or other reasons that caused them to inadvertently miss a vaccination.

The MMR vaccine itself is the problem. It has the lowest rate among vaccinations - mostly due to medical concerns (i.e. people can't take it when sick), but also due to the fact that parents don't like it. It's too strong - many people want it to be split into two or three different vaccinations, if it was offered in that way instead of as a triple vaccination the immunisation rate would increase.

Of course we want there to be less outbreaks of disease, but measles in a first world country really isn't as important as say whooping cough.

Here...in the US, it does matter...even if it shouldn't.  It does matter what they believe, because what they believe is precisely why they deny the care, and why we pussyfoot around it.

Well it's a matter for legislators. You're never going to be able to force people to do things, and nor should you expect them to. But you can certainly legislate so that the decision can be taken out of the parents control where it is medically necessary for the treatment of a minor.

[Mermaid]

Yes, it DOES matter. This sort of shit causes very real consequences. There have been measles outbreaks in the US in the last year. There is no excuse for this at all. It is not true that there aren't many anti-vaccination people. These assholes are putting people at very real, tangible risk of contracting PREVENTABLE diseases.

So what - who cares? It's fucking measles in a first-world country where there's almost no chance of mortality from it.

Did anyone at all actually die in the outbreak from measles?

So mortality is your measure? Measles is a VERY serious disease. It's not a hangnail. Do some reading.

Do you realise you're labelling everyone who didn't vaccinate as "assholes" when in fact many people who don't vaccinate their child have done so because of medical reasons, or other reasons that caused them to inadvertently miss a vaccination.

Didn't and wouldn't say that, ever. I agree, there are people who cannot be vaccinated. THAT IS WHY EVERYONE ELSE NEEDS TO BE.

The MMR vaccine itself is the problem. It has the lowest rate among vaccinations - mostly due to medical concerns (i.e. people can't take it when sick), but also due to the fact that parents don't like it. It's too strong - many people want it to be split into two or three different vaccinations, if it was offered in that way instead of as a triple vaccination the immunisation rate would increase.

Of course we want there to be less outbreaks of disease, but measles in a first world country really isn't as important as say whooping cough.

What does "too strong" even mean? Have you ever taken immunology? vaccinology? Do you understand how vaccines work? What exactly is problematic about the MMR vaccine? You can't take ANY vaccine when you're sick or otherwise immunocompromised. There's a very good biological reason for this, and it is most definitely not specific to MMR.

You mention whooping cough as a serious disease, this is ALSO on the rise because of the anti-vaccination movement.

[Edwardo Piet]

[Mermaid]