The greatest conspiracy theory ever

[Faith No More]

I have family that fled Europe during the war. They were not Jewish, they were Magar (Gypsies) from eastern Austria.  My grandmother had some newspaper clipping about them moving to Mount Angel Oregon to be with their German in-laws.

I was going to add that Hitler went after the gypsies pretty hard, too. He also rounded up all of the disabled, if I'm not mistaken.

[Faith No More]

And almost as bad as the Holocaust deniers are the minimizers, the ones that try to say the numbers are way overblown(usually blaming the Jews for inflating the numbers).

[Iroscato]

What do you guys think about holocaust deniers  ? People who think that hundreds of thousands of people were involved in a massive global conspiracy to fake one of the darkest moments in human history , inflitrated into multiple governments , faked confessions, faked witness testimonies, faked the mass graves and so on...  Do you even deal with them, because their numbers are rising ?

What do I think of them? I don't. I think nothing of them. They are unworthy of a single moment of my consideration.

[ignoramus]

We atheist heathens are the greatest conspiracy advocates by denying our one true God!

Ain't that right Cath!
Cath?
Hello?
Anybody there?
Is this bloody mike on or what!

[abaris]

I mean that anti-Semitism seems to be the primary motivation of the denier, not that Jews were the only victims.  



Boru

You know, I don't think so. Most Holocaust deniers want national socialism to be good, so they can follow it. Wholesale industrial slaughter of millions of people doesn't fit that narrative. And it's not the jews they're after this time round. It's immigrants, colored people, muslims, gays and the left in general. True, there still is antisemitic violence, but it pales in comparison to what these groups do to other people they consider inferior or enemies of whatever state they imagine.

At least that's the way in Europe.

[Cyberman]

And almost as bad as the Holocaust deniers are the minimizers, the ones that try to say the numbers are way overblown(usually blaming the Jews for inflating the numbers).

I'd say that's actually worse than outright denial. They're saying that the Holocaust happened, people were murdered, but it wasn't as bad as everyone thinks. So that's alright then.

[downbeatplumb]

Why do people deny it occurred? What is the motivation.

Some people like to hate random groups of people and don't want be made to feel like a bad person for it.

[Heat]

"When we're stuck with the real world horror of mass murder and death by random chance things which manage to be sour and terrifying all on their own without the help of aliens and boogymen, we invent complicated conspiracies to control how we feel about them. Because we can't accept random violence, that's too scary. We need something that behaves in a way we can predict and understand, pulling strings that we invent so that we can convince ourselves that even the most senseless acts of chaos are things we should've seen coming a mile away."

From "The Truth Behind Every Internet Conspiracy"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HezndRzDBQ

[abaris]

And this is relevant how?

[Aractus]

What do you guys think about holocaust deniers  ? People who think that hundreds of thousands of people were involved in a massive global conspiracy to fake one of the darkest moments in human history , inflitrated into multiple governments , faked confessions, faked witness testimonies, faked the mass graves and so on...  Do you even deal with them, because their numbers are rising ?

Okay let's be clear here - who are you labelling 'deniers'? To me a denier is someone who denies the "final solution", who denies there was a specific policy to exterminate Jews held in camps, and who denies the use of extermination gas chambers at Auschwitz, Chełmno, Majdanek, Belzec, Sobibór and Treblinka.

There are other historians who are merely critical of the details and not those well established facts - they deny that 6,000,000 Jews were killed for example (and it is true that the number killed is believed to be closer to 5 million now). If I recall correctly, about 3-3.5 million Jews were deliberately killed in extermination chambers. Squabbling over exactly what the number is isn't denial - that's what we expect historians to do. Although those on the fringes are often pretty bad and clearly biased historians, they aren't 'deniers' per se.

Many of the images taken do show prisoners that were sick and dying from typhus, or who were starved to death - that's true. That isn't evidence that exterminator chambers didn't exist, it's evidence that we don't have any pictures of them in action.