Trans-FUCKING-everything

[Regina]

It's not wrong, it's just the fucking understatement of the century.

[Violet]

It's not wrong, it's just the fucking understatement of the century.

And yet, I'll bet she still holds perfectly reasonable and logical discussions when she's put into a scenario to discuss or debate things.

Speaking now, along the more schizophrenic lines: delusion and disconnection are rather more the symptoms of being a... 'nutter'.

And no... the woman's not delusional (or suffering disconnects) just because you think her *needs* look insane to you.

[KUSA]

If you want to be blind then you are a fucking nutter.

That's what I told your nan last night, but no no.. she insisted on the blindfold. She really musta struggled with my being so much larger than her ex-husband.

...... Because she wouldn't stop struggling

...

I really don't know how to give you something more than an asinine response to that. It's kinda a... statement, that doesn't give you a whole lot of wiggle room to talk about. Sooooo, ummm... I guess....

Insult all you want but she is still bat shit crazy.

[Violet]

Insult all you want but she is still bat shit crazy.

I would never insult you, (and haven't yet, friend)... and I would never think that you're not of sound mind for simple fervor in what you believe.

But making that statement, as if it is some kind of inalienable fact trotted down from on high to a silver platter for a fat cat in presidential underpants stamped 'Made in China'...?

... Does not leave any wiggle room for discussion, whatsoever. So, it's hard to "argue with" something that is made as a statement of opinion. That's your opinion (that she is bat shit crazy)... it isn't mine. It isn't necessarily anyone else's.

You presented an opinion... what, you want me to argue with your opinion? It's your opinion... argument with that is, by definition... all kinds of presidential underpants filled will loads of Chinese bull-poopy.

[Edwardo Piet]

Crazy is the wrong word for someone suffering from a mental illness. "Crazy" makes out it's not a serious matter.

[Nine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OVtpnpCOKM

[Edwardo Piet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2B6SjMh_w

[Nine]

* Nine is dancing the thread music

[Aractus]

I wouldn't call them 'strikingly similar'.

I'd call them nearly-fucking-identical. They're different only because of the subject matter of the discomfort and dysphoria.

And, just like not every transgendered person needs to "go all the way" (as it were..) to be happy... I reckon plenty of people with BIIID can live fulfilling lives without "going all the way". Not all of them. Perhaps not even most of them. Perhaps even only a few of them... but some of them, for sure.

I think that treatment for both conditions needs to reflect that there is a spectrum on this kind of thing... to which some people are pretty low key, and fewer/less invasive modifications (including behavioral)/medications are required, and some people are well beyond the severe end of that sliding spectrum. It's just something of a nuanced approach that needs to be kept in mind (and I'm not saying that it isn't necessarily: i'm not a psychologist, and I don't speak for every psychologist, or to every psychologist).

Well yes, different patients have a different level of change they feel is needed, I wasn't trying to suggest that everyone with BIID "needs" to physically mutilate part of their bodies in order to feel at peace with themselves. What we do however know from transsexualism is that therapy and medication was tried for a long time to "cure" the patients and it didn't work.

The lady who's been blinded with drain cleaner perhaps could have been given access to a reversible medical procedure instead - this would have meant she could have restored her eyesight at a later time, and that might make people feel more comfortable with her transformation. But I'm guessing that she would not have been able to find a surgeon willing to perform such a procedure, and that it would have been a waste of medical time since that would only make onlookers/outsiders/commentators feel more comfortable about it - she wouldn't want to go back to having her eyesight even if she could.

It's a huge flaw of the disease-model of mental health. Even people with gender dysphoria (GID) are formally labelled by the medical profession as suffering from a disorder (gender identity disorder). This is further exacerbated by the fact that diagnostic manual is called the DSM-V or in full the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (5th Edition), so even if you did rename the condition to explicit remove "disorder" the manual still says it is one. How did we ever decide which is "normal" and which isn't? How do we decide what is really a "disorder" and what isn't? Some say there's no such thing as a mental disorder.

The biggest lie of modern mental health is that it's understood. How can you have one manual? Some mental health conditions are brought on by environmental factors or life experiences. Others people are born with - or are genetic - or are triggered by a disease or infection (alzheimer's, autism) - how can you lump them all together into a single manual? Some so-called disorders are certainly not disorders: in 2009 France formally declared that GID is not a psychiatric condition, whilst assuring affected patients they would continue to receive the same medical benefits as before.

[Violet]

I think this is an official segue. Somehow... feels wrong to split it, though. Cuz... we've kind of arrived at this point, so. Yeah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgSa8Ca3iKs

NOPE! Arcatus is here! Savior of discussion. Savior of the day. Savior... of the universe.

Edit: It's late, and I need to help my brother while I still can with some stuff. Think I'll be okay enough to come back to this soon, though Will see.