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[TaraJo]

I don't think anyone else has raised this point yet,
but if they have, I beg everyone's pardon:

When I initially read this story, elsewhere, it crossed my mind that persons who were born blind or went blind
might find this woman's story infuriating;

but then I remembered a conversation I once overhead in the waiting room at the local hospital:

a woman was angrily venting to her companion about something a doctor had told her.

This lady was blind, apparently as a result of some genetic disorder,
and it seemed that her daughter was now also going blind as a result of the same disorder.

The doctor had been advising her of new treatments
that might prevent her young daughter from losing 100% of her sight.

I couldn't understand why she was so angry;

initially I thought maybe she was selfishly angry because it was too late for her, herself,
to receive the treatment,

but it transpired that, in fact, the woman was angry at what she deemed was the doctor's "bias"
against persons with disabilities;

She was angry in the same way that a pro-LGBT mom
would be angry if a doctor proposed a procedure to "correct" her child's emerging homosexual orientation

She felt that the social stigma of having a disability
was something to be opposed
by militantly embracing the disability
and adopting a kind of "fuck you" attitude to the world:

much as if to say,
I can do everything sighted people can do,
and more,
and so can my kid.

So, I wonder if such a person would hear about this woman blinding herself
and would regard it as "self-improvement".

o.O

I think there's a big difference between being biased against blind people and valuing your eyesight or the eyesight of someone else.  Especially for a doctor whose job is literally to maintain your health (which includes the health of your eyes).  

I mean, I have an aunt who's blind and she's accepted it and learned to get by with it, but when she was starting to lose her eyesight, she did everything to hold onto it.

[Godscreated]

 Yes, you would think so but, by what's being discussed it seems not.

GC

The psychiatrist's decision to assist this woman in blinding herself was completely unethical,
but I think everyone is so set back on their heels by the mere fact of the self-maiming
that the shrink's role got lost in the shuffle

 You might be right, but I don't hear people objecting to cutting and other forms of self mutilation, they might not be as sever but they are of the same mind set. I know other drastic mutilations have been discussed but, when you get right down to it there's no difference other than severity. At any rate the psychiatrist should be held accountable in the minds of very one who believes in justice. If the psychiatrist hadn't of poured the drain cleaner in her eyes, she may have her sight today, seems to me she may not have had the nerve to do it herself, so I believe that it wasn't unethical it was criminal. If someone dashed drain cleaner into a stranger's eyes they would be prosecuted without question. I see no difference in the two, she's mentally disabled and not able to say no because of her disability, the stranger wouldn't give permission to have his eyes blinded.

GC

[Silver]

The psychiatrist's decision to assist this woman in blinding herself was completely unethical,
but I think everyone is so set back on their heels by the mere fact of the self-maiming
that the shrink's role got lost in the shuffle

 You might be right, but I don't hear people objecting to cutting and other forms of self mutilation, they might not be as sever but they are of the same mind set. I know other drastic mutilations have been discussed but, when you get right down to it there's no difference other than severity. At any rate the psychiatrist should be held accountable in the minds of very one who believes in justice. If the psychiatrist hadn't of poured the drain cleaner in her eyes, she may have her sight today, seems to me she may not have had the nerve to do it herself, so I believe that it wasn't unethical it was criminal. If someone dashed drain cleaner into a stranger's eyes they would be prosecuted without question. I see no difference in the two, she's mentally disabled and not able to say no because of her disability, the stranger wouldn't give permission to have his eyes blinded.

GC

My freaking Goddess, you are so fucking dumb.

How do you equate an individual assisting someone else toward harm as opposed to an individual doing harm to himself?

Otherwise, in no way should it be considered okay for one individual to do harm to another.

If I want to cut myself, however, that is another matter.

Please, learn how to reason.

[Losty]

 You might be right, but I don't hear people objecting to cutting and other forms of self mutilation, they might not be as sever but they are of the same mind set. I know other drastic mutilations have been discussed but, when you get right down to it there's no difference other than severity. At any rate the psychiatrist should be held accountable in the minds of very one who believes in justice. If the psychiatrist hadn't of poured the drain cleaner in her eyes, she may have her sight today, seems to me she may not have had the nerve to do it herself, so I believe that it wasn't unethical it was criminal. If someone dashed drain cleaner into a stranger's eyes they would be prosecuted without question. I see no difference in the two, she's mentally disabled and not able to say no because of her disability, the stranger wouldn't give permission to have his eyes blinded.

GC

My freaking Goddess, you are so fucking dumb.

How do you equate an individual assisting someone else toward harm as opposed to an individual doing harm to himself?

Otherwise, in no way should it be considered okay for one individual to do harm to another.

If I want to cut myself, however, that is another matter.

Please, learn how to reason.

You're misreading what he said.

This woman did not self mutilate. Her psychiatrist poured the drain cleaner into her eyes.

That is a horrible unethical thing for a psychiatrist to do. It is completely unacceptable.
The woman is mentally ill, her doctor should have been treating her and instead he/she was encouraging her delusions and went as far as to harm his/her patient. S/he should be arrested or at the very least lose his/her license.

[Silver]

My freaking Goddess, you are so fucking dumb.

How do you equate an individual assisting someone else toward harm as opposed to an individual doing harm to himself?

Otherwise, in no way should it be considered okay for one individual to do harm to another.

If I want to cut myself, however, that is another matter.

Please, learn how to reason.

You're misreading what he said.

This woman did not self mutilate. Her psychiatrist poured the drain cleaner into her eyes.

That is a horrible unethical thing for a psychiatrist to do. It is completely unacceptable.
The woman is mentally ill, her doctor should have been treating her and instead he/she was encouraging her delusions and went as far as to harm his/her patient. S/he should be arrested or at the very least lose his/her license.

I did not misread.

He was attempting to equate self harm to what was done to her. Read back.

GC: " I don't hear people objecting to cutting and other forms of self mutilation"

[Losty]

It looks like he is equating a psychiatrist harming their mentally ill patient, with an average joe harming a stranger against their will. And if that's what he was doing I quite agree with him.

A mentally ill person is in no condition to be giving consent to being blinded and the psychiatrist should have known that.

[Silver]

Hone your reading skills, dear.

[Losty]

Hone your reading skills, dear.

I still think you're wrong. Why don't you ask him. His whole point is to say that what the psychiatrist did was unethical and criminal.

[Silver]

You are missing the point of his comment which I quoted.

He is veritably equating one person harming another person to one individual doing harm to one's self.

How did you miss that?

[Losty]

Here's the thing.

"You might be right, but I don't hear people objecting to cutting and other forms of self mutilation, they might not be as sever but they are of the same mind set. I know other drastic mutilations have been discussed but, when you get right down to it there's no difference other than severity."

Maybe that ^^^ is what you're talking about. I only read it as saying that the only difference between cutting your wrist and freezing your legs off is that one is more severe. But perhaps he meant it to mean what you said.



I focused on this:
"At any rate the psychiatrist should be held accountable in the minds of very one who believes in justice. If the psychiatrist hadn't of poured the drain cleaner in her eyes, she may have her sight today, seems to me she may not have had the nerve to do it herself, so I believe that it wasn't unethical it was criminal. If someone dashed drain cleaner into a stranger's eyes they would be prosecuted without question. I see no difference in the two, she's mentally disabled and not able to say no because of her disability, the stranger wouldn't give permission to have his eyes blinded."

And in this, I completely agree with him.