Sounds to Me Like God Said

[Athene]

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You're correct, I'm unhappy to hear that anyone has brain cancer.


There may be nothing wrong with the line of thinking I demonstrated, as far as this woman is concerned. I'm sure it gives her a degree of comfort and eases her anxiety to some degree.

However, it becomes an extremely dangerous and detrimental way of thinking, if and when faith and prayer preclude anyone from seeking actual solutions. 

There is something wrong with that.

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We're making a lot of unjustified assumptions about her thought process here. We have no evidence she didn't seek treatment.

If someone does seek treatment and has such a view, you ought to have nothing to worry about.

In fact, even if someone doesn't seek treatment, as long as they are an adult and decide not to seek treatment, I don't think you're in a position to criticize them because people have the right to do what they want with their life.

So I'm not seeing a basis for your disapproval either way.

My initial post was making a general statement about rationalizing outcomes in order to prop up or maintain religious beliefs. I was speaking in general terms...that's why I used the term 'if and when' and 'anyone' instead of she in my post above.

Obviously, this woman has sought treatment and will attempt to continue to do so. That's why she had health insurance and why funds are being raised for surgery. 

I don't particularly care if an adult who's not under duress seeks treatment or not, but I can and will voice my disapproval and/or my opinion as to why I believe a particular line of thinking is flawed if I choose to do so--same as you.

This is a discussion forum...in which the point is to discuss.
That is why we're here, correct?

[T.J.]

Discuss? I thought we were here to look at the prudy flowers. I'VE BEEN LIED TO!

[Edwardo Piet]

Nah... God is just a made up guy in the sky. Are your dreams shattered?

[Reforged]

Shes going to die and she has no idea how to handle it. People will grasp at anything near the end.
It doesn't mean anything, its just posturing. Her faith is a paper shield, an ineffective barrier to conceal the truth from herself.
Loved ones will find it equally ineffective for numbing the pain when shes gone but they'll keep up appearances.
They'll cling to her memory, then the memory of the memory and then nothing.
Her words will fade, as will mine, as will yours.
Theres no story here, this happens everyday.

[Minimalist]

We're making a lot of unjustified assumptions about her thought process here. We have no evidence she didn't seek treatment.

She has sought treatment.  The article makes clear that the problem is that she aged out of her parent's health insurance plan on the day she got her diagnosis. 

However, Vuaghan has been dropped by her parents’ insurance and she is ineligible for Sooner Care, the state’s Affordable Care Act (ACA)-mandated low cost provider. She has missed this year’s open enrollment for private insurance, which resumes on January 1, days after the surgeon has said that Vaughan will die of her tumor if not treated.

She is the victim of a bureaucratic issue and god is helpless against any  bureaucracy.

[Simon Moon]

Be certain that God will get the glory, regardless of the outcome.

If enough funds are raised to pay for her surgery, then He's "made a way."
If she withers and drops dead 2 months from now, the good Lord's released her and is "calling her home".
For any and all other possible outcomes, see: Testing of Strength and Part of the Plan/His Will/ Mysterious Ways.

See how easy brain cancer is when you just believe?

I get you're unhappy about this. But there's nothing wrong with it.

Sure there's something wrong with it.

People's beliefs don't live in a vacuum. 

Their beliefs inform their actions.

The less one's beliefs accurately map to reality, the more likely they are to make bad decisions.

And, way too often, those bad decisions effect other people.

[Delicate]

We're making a lot of unjustified assumptions about her thought process here. We have no evidence she didn't seek treatment.

If someone does seek treatment and has such a view, you ought to have nothing to worry about.

In fact, even if someone doesn't seek treatment, as long as they are an adult and decide not to seek treatment, I don't think you're in a position to criticize them because people have the right to do what they want with their life.

So I'm not seeing a basis for your disapproval either way.

My initial post was making a general statement about rationalizing outcomes in order to prop up or maintain religious beliefs. I was speaking in general terms...that's why I used the term 'if and when' and 'anyone' instead of she in my post above.

Obviously, this woman has sought treatment and will attempt to continue to do so. That's why she had health insurance and why funds are being raised for surgery. 

I don't particularly care if an adult who's not under duress seeks treatment or not, but I can and will voice my disapproval and/or my opinion as to why I believe a particular line of thinking is flawed if I choose to do so--same as you.

This is a discussion forum...in which the point is to discuss.
That is why we're here, correct?

Your previous post clearly refers to her. Unless you have a habit of suddenly and inexplicably referring to unknown females in the middle of conversations.

And neither did I suggest there was a problem with discussion. 

So I guess I'm wondering what in the world you're going on about.

[abaris]

The real thing to puke over is someone left to die because there's no more money to be made. Healthcare shouldn't be a commodity in a civilized nation. And that's putting it mildly. Got no dime, so die in the streets, is one of the most barbaric things I can imagine.

[Athene]

My initial post was making a general statement about rationalizing outcomes in order to prop up or maintain religious beliefs. I was speaking in general terms...that's why I used the term 'if and when' and 'anyone' instead of she in my post above.

Obviously, this woman has sought treatment and will attempt to continue to do so. That's why she had health insurance and why funds are being raised for surgery. 

I don't particularly care if an adult who's not under duress seeks treatment or not, but I can and will voice my disapproval and/or my opinion as to why I believe a particular line of thinking is flawed if I choose to do so--same as you.

This is a discussion forum...in which the point is to discuss.
That is why we're here, correct?

Your previous post clearly refers to her. Unless you have a habit of suddenly and inexplicably referring to unknown females in the middle of conversations.

And neither did I suggest there was a problem with discussion. 

So I guess I'm wondering what in the world you're going on about.

Weird. 
I'm wondering what you're going on about, bringing up shit from almost two weeks ago.

[brewer]

I feel for this individual and family but someone fucked up.

Terminating insurance coverage due to age (26) means that the individual automatically qualifies for COBRA continuation of coverage through the employer (assuming 20 or more employees). If elected within 63 days from the last date of medical coverage, COBRA coverage continues for 18 months. After the 18 months, if disabled, the individual then qualifies for Medicare no matter what age.

If COBRA was not offered by the employer then the employer would be on the hook and have to back date the effective date (payment for coverage would still have to be made). If not elected by the individual within the 63 days COBRA is not available.

Payment for the COBRA premiums should not be an issue. Loans are readily made available to these individuals/family's from lending institutions. Some medical institutions will make the CORBA payment for the individual to insure that the medical treatment will be paid for through insurance.

Sorry to get all insurancey, force of habit.

http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/cobra.html