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RE: Why the "There are so many interpretations of the Bible" claim is confused
October 30, 2015 at 3:50 am
(October 30, 2015 at 1:51 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 10:26 am)Rhythm & TubbyTubby Wrote: So do christians and hindus...I guess all of these faith traditions are simultaneously right while making mutually exclusive claims. lol.
Atlas, if you have evidence that your faith is true...present it. Make that thread, make that case. That's step 1. Claiming to possess evidence, and claiming to have validated your religion by it, is skipping that all important step 1, it's also pretty douchey.
It's a dream I had that came true.
The sura is Sura 12. It's not the same dream of Joseph, but the dream came true.
Insane ? maybe. But the dream came true.
Study up on conginitve biases. Like robvalue alluded to, confirmation bias is one of them.
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RE: Why the "There are so many interpretations of the Bible" claim is confused
October 30, 2015 at 4:11 am
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RE: Why the "There are so many interpretations of the Bible" claim is confused
October 30, 2015 at 5:17 pm
(October 30, 2015 at 1:51 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: It's a dream I had that came true.
The sura is Sura 12. It's not the same dream of Joseph, but the dream came true.
Insane ? maybe. But the dream came true.
I'm sorry, what? You had a dream? That's the evidence by which you validated your faith? 
You need to seriously reconsider your standards of evidence.
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RE: Why the "There are so many interpretations of the Bible" claim is confused
October 30, 2015 at 9:23 pm
Yeah, I don't get it. If I had a dream about Lord of the rings, and then something similar happened in real life, is Sauron real? I don't see how a dream can prove anything here.
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RE: Why the "There are so many interpretations of the Bible" claim is confused
October 30, 2015 at 9:25 pm
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Abso-fucking-lutely Rob! After all, that's why islam is true, some rando had a dream.......QED
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RE: Why the "There are so many interpretations of the Bible" claim is confused
October 30, 2015 at 9:29 pm
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Hmm. If they can't both be true, I wonder how we decide which one of us is wrong? Dream gladiators?
What if I have another dream that proves Harry Potter is real. Does that win over my last dream? Or are they both true now?
Basing any important life decisions on the insane ramblings of our brains while asleep, detoxifying and filing information or whatever they are doing, is a big mistake in my opinion.
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RE: Why the "There are so many interpretations of the Bible" claim is confused
October 30, 2015 at 9:41 pm
Of course they can both be true. Isn't this precisely what the faithful have shown us...that mutually exclusive propositions can all be simultaneously true provided that those propositions are religious in nature?
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RE: Why the "There are so many interpretations of the Bible" claim is confused
October 31, 2015 at 4:59 am
(October 30, 2015 at 9:23 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yeah, I don't get it. If I had a dream about Lord of the rings, and then something similar happened in real life, is Sauron real? I don't see how a dream can prove anything here.
No, it's the "symbolism". Sauron might be symbolizing something in your subliminal thoughts.
Like the story of Joseph : one of the guys in prison saw bread atop of his head the birds feed on; it pointed to his head being the FOOD of the bird; thus he got crucified and birds ate from his head..
His head turned into the birds' bread..Symbolism.
Irrational
I'm not a mental, irrational. Dreams come true, and dreams do show us the future sometimes.
Aractus
I never get sick from reminding people, that dates hold no true value.
Yes, parts of the bible and talmud are true, according to the Quran.
The forging touched many of it, that's the main reason why the Quran was descended anyways..
Revising the archaeological evidence, will never bring the dead back to testify. The body of Jesus was never found, and unlike Mohammed, even his tomb isn't known.
Until then, Aractus, the archaeological evidence is based on "copies" of the bible and the Torah, and until then that dates can never be trusted when it comes to the original versions.
Rhythm
To each of us his their path to believe. Though the Quran has many other verses. As the dream made me clinch to the faith more, if the other verses didn't make any sense that grip would've turned soft a long time ago.
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RE: Why the "There are so many interpretations of the Bible" claim is confused
October 31, 2015 at 9:08 am
Clearly, something about you turned soft a long time ago, just wasn't your grip. Look higher.
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RE: Why the "There are so many interpretations of the Bible" claim is confused
October 31, 2015 at 10:52 pm
(October 28, 2015 at 12:03 am)Rhythm Wrote: (October 27, 2015 at 10:55 pm)Delicate Wrote: Are you sure you're remembering things correctly?
What is the relevant difference between Catholics and Protestants on baptism that is not a matter of preference or practice?
Already been covered, I won't be repeating myself. Are you done?
Don't have to repeat yourself, but you could point to where you talked about it before.
Odds are, you didn't though.
(October 27, 2015 at 10:50 pm)Thena323 Wrote: (October 27, 2015 at 10:07 pm)Delicate Wrote: Granted. Perhaps I did adjust my challenge as I thought about the issue further.
Which particular adjustment was unjustified?
It's not a matter of a particular adjustment being justified or unjustified. It's a matter of you creating an unfair scenario in which you can never be demonstrated to be incorrect.
The general tone of your posts suggests that it's being done deliberately.
Every adjustment was predicated on a clearer understanding of what exactly atheists are trying to say, and what criteria need to be logically met in order for the claim to be true.
The adjustments were fair, not unfair. If you disagree, show me some evidence.
In other words, put up or shut up.
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