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I was interviewed by a world religions class student
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October 11, 2015 at 8:18 am
(This post was last modified: October 11, 2015 at 8:19 am by goodwithoutgod.)
You, not a mythical god, are the author of your book of life, make it one worth reading..and living.
 RE: I was interviewed by a world religions class student
October 12, 2015 at 10:40 pm
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2015 at 11:15 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
If some first, un-caused cause were so easy to establish, why haven't we seen any of that? Hell, you could have handled that in your post......right? In the meantime........
Suppose I could provide you with a valid statement that implied a future event could be the cause of a past event, would you accept this as likely to be true? What if I could -also- show the statement to be sound, particularly in the light of the "first cause" claims inability to do so? That would make it an even more compelling argument than the first cause argument, yes? You would have better reason to believe that the arrow of time (and causality) flowed symmetrically than you would have reason to believe in asymmetric time (and with it goes the very -notion- of a "first cause"). Correct? But.......would you? There's a problem with the system (many, actually, the above is another), which is infinite regress. But the system is -not- the thing it describes, the seeming behavior of the universe. Infinite regress makes it difficult to generate an answer, but it doesn't have -anything- to do with what the correct answer is or might be..perhaps it all does regress infinitely, but it would be -impossible- for our system to work with that, to produce the goods. A problem of the system is not a problem of the universe. The universe can regress infinitely, classical logic cannot. It's a mistake to confuse one for the other.
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(October 12, 2015 at 10:40 pm)Rhythm Wrote: If some first, un-caused cause were so easy to establish, why haven't we seen any of that? Hell, you could have handled that in your post......right? In the meantime........ I'm interested in the case you seem to want to present... Go ahead. RE: I was interviewed by a world religions class student
October 12, 2015 at 11:22 pm
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2015 at 11:34 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
If a ship crashes tonight, there will be a report in the paper tomorrow.
take this MT and turn it into an MP If there is not a report in the paper tomorrow, a ship will not crash tonight. You're welcome, will you be establishing your first cause at any point, or was claiming that it was easy to do so good enough? Now, would you like me to find some news stories for you to firmly establish the soundness of ships crashing and papers reporting on them? Do you still believe in the asymmetry of time and causal relationship?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(October 12, 2015 at 11:22 pm)Rhythm Wrote: If a ship crashes tonight, there will be a report in the paper tomorrow. You've lost me with this one. RE: I was interviewed by a world religions class student
October 12, 2015 at 11:58 pm
(This post was last modified: October 13, 2015 at 12:09 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Take a look at the causal inference in the transposition, whereby...a report in the paper -tommorrow- seems to have some effect on whether or not a ship crashes -tonight-. It's all on the up and up, of course, textbook even. Has it ever been the case, in your experience, that some event "x" tommorrow was the cause of some outcome "y" today?
Nevertheless, armed with this valid form, loaded up with sound propositions - have you abandoned your belief in asymmetric time and cause?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (October 9, 2015 at 8:44 pm)goodwithoutgod Wrote:(October 9, 2015 at 8:36 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: GwoG! WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN, MAN!?! You most certainly should. Losty misses you too D: Hope you had a good vaca 
(October 12, 2015 at 11:58 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Take a look at the causal inference in the transposition, whereby...a report in the paper -tommorrow- seems to have some effect on whether or not a ship crashes -tonight-. It's all on the up and up, of course, textbook even. Has it ever been the case, in your experience, that some event "x" tommorrow was the cause of some outcome "y" today? Well... first, I don't think that a newspaper report has causal sufficiency to crash a ship (at least not directly, perhaps as a secondary cause through misinformation). Secondly, I was say that your transposition is a demonstration of the principle of causality in making an inference, not a causal force. Lastly, a lack of a report in the newspaper does not necessarily mean that a ship has not crashed. So, as of yet, I don't think I'm ready to rid myself of asymmetric time and cause. (October 13, 2015 at 12:40 am)Losty Wrote:(October 9, 2015 at 8:44 pm)goodwithoutgod Wrote: Was on vacation for two weeks in the mountains of Tennessee buying a house, and resting my foot. Hoping to get my old ass back in the gym sunday, I just got back in tonight, and I have duty tomorrow...win lol. I didnt know you were on this forum as well, good to see you. I dont come here often, and perhaps I should.. I did enjoy my time off, was recuperating from a sprained ankle, and buying a house, was so nice and quiet up in the mountains away from all of the craziness of the big city. 
You, not a mythical god, are the author of your book of life, make it one worth reading..and living.
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