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RE: Frank Discussion on Hate
May 30, 2010 at 7:04 am
(May 20, 2010 at 1:31 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: What about meta-hate? The hatred of hatred itself? It kinda spirals into a vicious circle and gets worse and worse, perhaps? Perhaps the cure is meta-love? The love of love? The more you love the more you love?
Thoughts? Lol.
EvF I shudder at the idea of meta-love. The idea that not the things we actually do in life and to each other matter, but only the pre- or post-fabulated love aura we attach to it.
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RE: Frank Discussion on Hate
May 30, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Quote:But does that really require hatred... I don't believe it does. I would defend my family with my life, but It wouldn't stem from a hatred toward the other person.
Require? I really don't know. Cause? Probably; I think extreme rage,fear or hurt can cause an involuntary hatred .
The hatred I feel is involuntary. I wish I did not have those feelings. They harm only me.
You assertion is hypothetical and I think naive at best. Come back when you have actually been in that situation.
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RE: Frank Discussion on Hate
May 30, 2010 at 11:28 pm
Well I don't claim to have ben, and it would of course just be a mental excercise at this point. I don't think it's naive though. It seems to logically follow. Without an element of intensity and time I don't think resentment can be formed, thus I don't think hate s necessarily formed. It would seem to me on an instinctual level of instant reaction, there isn't enough time to rationalize, reflect, or compose an opinion on the subject. That is at the very least required before a hatred can be formed.
I'd like a woman's perspective on this mental excercise. You're walking down the street and without any warning within 20 seconds someone grabs you rips off your closthes, pinsyou to the ground and begins to rape you. What is your exact thought that very second... I'm going to put in my suppositions here survival, get off me, stop it, shoot him in the head.. I think it'd be reactionary at that point, purely instinctual. Now 2 minutes down the road when you've given up trying to get away and you're sobbing , what do you feel then? Have you have the time to formulate the strong resentment of what he's taken/done to you? probably, and you probably hate him at this point. Then you go to the police station and all the tests and such and that resentment builds quickly into rage and vengeful hatred. That's what seems to flow for me, opinions?
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RE: Frank Discussion on Hate
May 31, 2010 at 6:31 am
Quote:It seems to logically follow.
Yes, it does. So what? I have never seen any evidence that human beings ,individually or as a species, are capable of consistent rational thought or behaviour.
I'll stop here. Seem to me we are both talking out of our hats,both arguing from ignorance.
Bored now.By all means dig up some evidence to support your position if you like.
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RE: Frank Discussion on Hate
May 31, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Agreed it's hugely speculation nad ignorace, but it's just a mental excercise.
Ok how's this, the emotional center of the brain is so close physically to the emotional memory and memory section. Since memory is primarily under the control of the abstract concept of time, it would reason that the strength or development of emotion would also be based off of a time line. That leads to thoughts that hate come from the action of resenting which takes time.
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RE: Frank Discussion on Hate
May 31, 2010 at 8:23 pm
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Tacky,is "I'll stop here"' too obtuse?
I am no longer willing to discuss the issue.
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RE: Frank Discussion on Hate
May 31, 2010 at 10:45 pm
that's fine padriac, but it's an open discussion in a public forum for anyone to comment on, and I hope they do. Thanks for your contributions and I appreciate the indulgence.
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RE: Frank Discussion on Hate
June 5, 2010 at 11:06 am
(May 31, 2010 at 2:12 pm)tackattack Wrote: Since memory is primarily under the control of the abstract concept of time,... Where did you read that?!
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RE: Frank Discussion on Hate
June 7, 2010 at 1:34 am
Memory as a concept, not memory as a physical location. If you look at the memory potion of the brain that records inputs, it takes inputs as they're recieved through percetion. We experience that perception in a linear fashion from life to death. Since perception is linear to time, doesn't it follow that memroy is? We can "rewind" that hard drive and view images and "memories" , but I thought it was a common concept that memory is like history in that it's a timeline. Am I that far off base?
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RE: Frank Discussion on Hate
June 7, 2010 at 10:47 am
Memory is not all it is cracked up to be. In fact, the more time you spend 'remembering' a particular memory, the less accurate it becomes.
Jonah Lehrer at ScienceBlogs.com Wrote:Although our memories always feel true, they're extremely vulnerable to errant suggestions, clever manipulations and the old fashioned needs of storytelling. (The mind, it turns out, cares more about crafting a good narrative than staying close to the truth.) Needless to say, this research has profound implications for everything from eyewitness testimony to talk therapy.
The rest of the article is Here. I found it interesting.
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