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**KevinM1** · October 15, 2015 at 10:17 pm

Should I know what CARM is?

**The Valkyrie** · October 15, 2015 at 10:22 pm

Carm:

The Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry: CARM

I will NOT link to it

**Ravenshire** · October 15, 2015 at 10:28 pm

(October 15, 2015 at 4:05 pm)JBrentonK Wrote:

I have once heard that it was said by God himself and his prophets that prayer is the most powerful example of the religious sense. (or one of the most powerful)

Well, it's true.

The most powerful tool is probably one suggested by the bible already, but one more powerful is a persons natural walk through nature by him/herself. Because he finds in it all of the tools needed to conduct life successfully. But in fear, one finds all of the tools needed to conduct this walk. You tremble when you are afraid of something, you gasp at the necessity of gasping. In trembling (kind of like the book fear and trembling, but not really), you find all of the needed preparation towards taking that next needed step. The goals that you will arrive upon when you reach that next level become clearer to you, you find preservation in needing to know something, your grasp of things becomes clearer.

Prayer is a rational act conducted by us human beings that in no way aligns us with the animals of animal life. Prayer represents all of "Fear and Trembling", but in the most sincere way possible. For to pray, is to know that one prays.

For the christian, this "most treasured dish of God's", we are presented with the finest example there is of human rationality.

Here's to betting that atheists don't pray. Albeit, all of the third paragraph of this OP presents prayer in the light of the super-rational, even the super-supra-rational. I would like to see this become a thread for us christians (and us atheists...) to praise God for this miraculous "gift." We should be rewarded in the light of this final paragraph that, at least we, know the supra-rational.

A single pair of hand set to work will accomplish more than 10,000 pairs folded in prayer.

Homeless Nutter · October 15, 2015 at 10:37 pm

(October 15, 2015 at 10:28 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: A single pair of hand set to work will accomplish more than 10,000 pairs folded in prayer.

I'd say that just one hand would be enough. And some lotion...
Tongue

**Ravenshire** · October 15, 2015 at 10:41 pm

(October 15, 2015 at 10:37 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote:
(October 15, 2015 at 10:28 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: A single pair of hand set to work will accomplish more than 10,000 pairs folded in prayer.

I'd say that just one hand would be enough. And some lotion...

Yeah, but that's not work. Angel

Homeless Nutter · October 15, 2015 at 11:26 pm

(October 15, 2015 at 10:41 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Yeah, but that's not work.

It is, when it costs me 10 bucks... Tongue

dyresand · October 15, 2015 at 11:56 pm

I know what's more powerful than prayer my foot up your metaphorical ass is more powerful OP Tongue

**Jackalope** · October 16, 2015 at 12:23 am

(October 15, 2015 at 8:48 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:
(October 15, 2015 at 8:46 pm)abaris Wrote: Somehow I read that as third testicle phase. Dirty mind, as always.

If you have a third testicle, this glorious machine will separate it from you with unheard of efficiency.

Pretty sure it'll separate the other two as well, not to mention everything else.

**Whateverist** · October 16, 2015 at 12:59 am

(October 15, 2015 at 4:05 pm)JBrentonK Wrote: I have once heard that it was said by God himself and his prophets that prayer is the most powerful example of the religious sense. (or one of the most powerful)

Well, it's true.

Similarly, the placebo effect turns out also to be true. So the lesson is that our beliefs have influence. Not because they're true but because we believe them.

The trouble is in trying to believe what one knows not to be true. Not all of us are able to pull it off. Not all of us would want to if we could. I'm one of those whose fondness for reality trumps any hankering for an advantage from either phenomenon. I don't expect to die early as a result, though it could happen.

**Bob Kelso** · October 16, 2015 at 3:21 am

(October 15, 2015 at 7:08 pm)JBrentonK Wrote: You won't believe this, but weather you like to admit it or not you do pray. Your actions pray for you. Whenever you do anything that involves your hands, you're clasping them together in prayer subconsciously. And the reason for that is that, as I have stated dozens of times, prayer is a rational activity. So, you may not realize that you pray, but because you're a human being and not an animal, and because we have a thing called "prayer"--- you do actually pray.

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