Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?

[Kingpin]

Due to messianic prophecies, such as:

Isaiah 9

6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

why did Jesus claim a relation to David if he had no relation to David?

In 2 Samuel 7.12-13, God promised King David that a blood descendent of King David's would one day rule from David's throne. God further promised David that this descendent would rule over His kingdom forever. 

Of course we now know that it was Jesus Christ who God sent to rule forever from David's throne. (Luke 1.32) 

To rule as King from David's throne, Jesus Christ HAD to meet TWO REQUIREMENTS as follows: 

a) Jesus had to be a blood descendent of David, AND 

b) Jesus had to be LEGALLY entitled to sit on David's throne. 

God had a problem in having Jesus meet the second requirement named above. Here are the reasons: 

a) David had many children, but only one of those children became king after David died. The son who became king was Solomon. 

b) To be LEGALLY entitled to sit on David's throne, a person had to be a descendent of David through the kingly line of David's descendants. The kingly line of David's descendents began with King Solomon. 

c) One of the kings who came along many years after David died was King Jeconiah (also called Coniah, and Jehoiahchin). King Jeconiah was, of course, a descendent of King Solomon and thus was in the kingly line of David. King Jeconiah did a great sin against God. Accordingly, God ordained that NO blood descendent of King Jeconiah would ever again sit on David's throne. (Jeremiah 22.30) 

d) Because of what God said in Jeremiah 22.30, Jesus could NOT be a blood descendent of King Jeconiah. This meant that Jesus could not be a blood descendent in the KINGLY line of King David. 

e) In summary, God's problem was this. To keep God's promise to David (2 Samuel 7.12-13) Jesus had to meet the following REQUIREMENTS: 

1) Jesus had to be a blood descendent of King David, AND 
2) Jesus had to be LEGALLY entitled to the throne, BUT 
3) Jesus must not be a blood descendent through David's kingly line, because Jesus must NOT be a blood descendent of King Jeconiah (Jeremiah 22.30). 

God's solution to the problem was as follows: 

a) Among all of King David's children were two sons: Solomon and Nathan (2 Samuel 5.13-14). 
b) Solomon was in the kingly line. Nathan was not. 
c) Accordingly, anyone descended from Nathan would be a blood descendent of King David but would NOT be legally entitled to David's throne. 
d) As explained in Matthew chapter 1, Joseph was legally the father of Jesus but he was NOT physically the father of Jesus, because Jesus was born of a virgin named Mary. Mary, of course, became Joseph's wife. 
e) Matthew 1.1-17 gives the LEGAL geneology of Jesus Christ through His legal father, Joseph. Note that this geneology is fully within the kingly line of David (Mt 1.1), including King Solomon (Mt 1.6) and King Jeconiah (Mt 1.11). 
f) Therefore, since Jesus was legally Joseph's son, and since Joseph was in the kingly line, Jesus was legally entitled to sit on the throne of David. However, Jesus was NOT a blood descendent of King Jeconiah. 
g) Jesus was, of course, a blood descendent of His mother Mary. 
h) The geneology in Luke 3.23-38 is the geneology of Mary, the mother of Jesus. 
i) Luke 3.31 shows that Mary was a blood descendent of King David through David's son Nathan. 

In summary: 

a) Since Jesus was legally Joseph's son in the kingly line, Jesus was and is legally entitled to the throne of David. 
b) Since Jesus was a blood descendent of David's son Nathan, through Jesus's mother Mary, He is a blood descendent of King David, as God promised He would be. 
c) Since Jesus was Joseph's legal son but not his blood descendent, Jesus was not a blood descendent of King Jeconiah. 
d) Accordingly, God kept all of His promises to King David except one -- that King Jesus would rule over an eternal kingdom. That promise WILL be fulfilled in the future (Dan 9.7, Rev 19.6)

[Hmmm?]

why did Jesus claim a relation to David if he had no relation to David?

Did Jesus claim a relation to David? Does anyone have a red letter Bible reference for that?

[John V]

why did Jesus claim a relation to David if he had no relation to David?

He did - I already noted that Jesus had a human mother, and kingpin explains it in detail above.

[sinnerdaniel94]

God the Father called Jesus God.

Hebrews 1: 6-8 KVJ

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

God has three persons but is one God: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

[jenny1972]

so even if he did have a vision of jesus how does that make this son of man God?!

Because he was able to approach God freely, which mere men cannot do, and he was promised an everlasting kingdom.

If jesus' father was really GOD and NOT from the seed of David then jesus cannot be the Messiah because the Messiah  of prophesy was promised to be from the family line of David . If  jesus was God and if Jesus' father was actually God then not only did Jesus LIE when he said that he was a descendent of David but he is also NOT the Messiah . he is just a liar and God incarnate ....  so which is he because Jesus cannot be both

See Isaiah 9 in the post above. Today's jews don't like it, but the prophecies showed that the messiah would be divine. So, how do you have a messiah who is both divine, and a human descended from David? How about - 1 parent was god, the OTHER parent was a human descended from David. you seem to forget that people have two parents.

jesus made a detailed effort at showing how he was a decendent of David why did he do this if that was just a deception and in fact his father was God? why did he lie about his lineage to try and trick people into thinking he was the Messiah of scripture?

Jesus didn't, Matthew and Luke did, and they did so because the Davidic lineage was an important part of the prophecies.

dont you see this is the reason why the Jews cannot accept Jesus as the Messiah because of the claim that his father is God , the Messiah was to be a descendent of David . you christians claim that Jesus is a descendent of God not David or that is what you Christians are claiming so how can they accept him as the Messiah when it completely goes against scripture ?

Again, see Isaiah 9 and other messianic prophecies. The messiah was to be BOTH divine and a descendant of David.

so you are claiming that Marys lineage was from david the lineage he claimed to be connected to was maternal not paternal ?

[John V]

so you are claiming that Marys lineage was from david ?

Yes.

[jenny1972]

why did Jesus claim a relation to David if he had no relation to David?

In 2 Samuel 7.12-13, God promised King David that a blood descendent of King David's would one day rule from David's throne. God further promised David that this descendent would rule over His kingdom forever. 

Of course we now know that it was Jesus Christ who God sent to rule forever from David's throne. (Luke 1.32) 

To rule as King from David's throne, Jesus Christ HAD to meet TWO REQUIREMENTS as follows: 

a) Jesus had to be a blood descendent of David, AND 

b) Jesus had to be LEGALLY entitled to sit on David's throne. 

God had a problem in having Jesus meet the second requirement named above. Here are the reasons: 

a) David had many children, but only one of those children became king after David died. The son who became king was Solomon. 

b) To be LEGALLY entitled to sit on David's throne, a person had to be a descendent of David through the kingly line of David's descendants. The kingly line of David's descendents began with King Solomon. 

c) One of the kings who came along many years after David died was King Jeconiah (also called Coniah, and Jehoiahchin). King Jeconiah was, of course, a descendent of King Solomon and thus was in the kingly line of David. King Jeconiah did a great sin against God. Accordingly, God ordained that NO blood descendent of King Jeconiah would ever again sit on David's throne. (Jeremiah 22.30) 

d) Because of what God said in Jeremiah 22.30, Jesus could NOT be a blood descendent of King Jeconiah. This meant that Jesus could not be a blood descendent in the KINGLY line of King David. 

e) In summary, God's problem was this. To keep God's promise to David (2 Samuel 7.12-13) Jesus had to meet the following REQUIREMENTS: 

1) Jesus had to be a blood descendent of King David, AND 
2) Jesus had to be LEGALLY entitled to the throne, BUT 
3) Jesus must not be a blood descendent through David's kingly line, because Jesus must NOT be a blood descendent of King Jeconiah (Jeremiah 22.30). 

God's solution to the problem was as follows: 

a) Among all of King David's children were two sons: Solomon and Nathan (2 Samuel 5.13-14). 
b) Solomon was in the kingly line. Nathan was not. 
c) Accordingly, anyone descended from Nathan would be a blood descendent of King David but would NOT be legally entitled to David's throne. 
d) As explained in Matthew chapter 1, Joseph was legally the father of Jesus but he was NOT physically the father of Jesus, because Jesus was born of a virgin named Mary. Mary, of course, became Joseph's wife. 
e) Matthew 1.1-17 gives the LEGAL geneology of Jesus Christ through His legal father, Joseph. Note that this geneology is fully within the kingly line of David (Mt 1.1), including King Solomon (Mt 1.6) and King Jeconiah (Mt 1.11). 
f) Therefore, since Jesus was legally Joseph's son, and since Joseph was in the kingly line, Jesus was legally entitled to sit on the throne of David. However, Jesus was NOT a blood descendent of King Jeconiah. 
g) Jesus was, of course, a blood descendent of His mother Mary. 
h) The geneology in Luke 3.23-38 is the geneology of Mary, the mother of Jesus. 
i) Luke 3.31 shows that Mary was a blood descendent of King David through David's son Nathan. 

In summary: 

a) Since Jesus was legally Joseph's son in the kingly line, Jesus was and is legally entitled to the throne of David. 
b) Since Jesus was a blood descendent of David's son Nathan, through Jesus's mother Mary, He is a blood descendent of King David, as God promised He would be. 
c) Since Jesus was Joseph's legal son but not his blood descendent, Jesus was not a blood descendent of King Jeconiah. 
d) Accordingly, God kept all of His promises to King David except one -- that King Jesus would rule over an eternal kingdom. That promise WILL be fulfilled in the future (Dan 9.7, Rev 19.6)

yes but what im saying is that Jesus is not a blood descendent of David , not according to you christians who claim tht he is related to God and has no relation to David . if Jesus was not human and did not have a human father that was related to David Jesus lied about his lineage and is not a relative of David...

[John V]

People don't have grandparents, great-grandparents, etc. on their Mother's side?

[Kingpin]

Did you not read what I put? Mary is a descendant of David's line through his son Nathan and Jesus is a blood relative to his mother, Mary. Therefore he IS a blood descendant to David on Nathan's line. But he is also legally rite to the throne through his mother's husband, Joseph who descends from Solomon.

[jenny1972]

so in the Jewish tradition as Jesus was a Jew , did Jesus claim a relation to David on his fathers side or on his mothers side ? since jesus father was not related to David jesus' mother must have been ok ...... but isnt the paternal ancestery what the Jews  recognized not maternal?