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RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
November 3, 2015 at 3:58 pm
(November 3, 2015 at 2:55 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (November 3, 2015 at 6:11 am)houseofcantor Wrote: Girl doesn't seem to have a viewpoint outside of Christian theology, yet she ain't Christian? I'm not seeing where she needs a white knight. And I'm not seeing where we need to hear about your IQ again either. 
how is saying that jesus was just a man and was not God in any way and challenging the concept of the trinity and questioning the value and accuracy of almost the entire NT not having a viewpoint outside christian theology ? thats not even within controvercial christian theology ive tried posting these things on a christian website under controvercial theology and it was immediately removed most of my comments have been focused on christians and the bible i think just because im more familiar with christianity than i am with islam or judaism or some other religion but i challenged a muslim mystic knight about value of the hadiths where they came from and how corrupted they were . i think its just as important to make people aware of the corrupt history of all religions .
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November 3, 2015 at 4:41 pm
(November 3, 2015 at 3:58 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: (November 3, 2015 at 2:55 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: how is saying that jesus was just a man and was not God in any way and challenging the concept of the trinity and questioning the value and accuracy of almost the entire NT not having a viewpoint outside christian theology ? thats not even within controvercial christian theology ive tried posting these things on a christian website under controvercial theology and it was immediately removed most of my comments have been focused on christians and the bible i think just because im more familiar with christianity than i am with islam or judaism or some other religion but i challenged a muslim mystic knight about value of the hadiths where they came from and how corrupted they were . i think its just as important to make people aware of the corrupt history of all religions .
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Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today  Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
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November 3, 2015 at 7:26 pm
I defended Jenny because she has dismantled the Christians' claims more thoroughly than I can, at times.
We all talk about "the Star Trek universe" because we're surrounded by Trekkies, so to speak. You can't help but pick up much of the lingo, when immersed in a culture that's 75% Trekkie. (To continue that metaphor.)
Despite a belief in God, Jenny is a thousand times closer to us than to the Christian position. And since I'm an agnostic atheist, who is happy to admit that God many in fact exist, just be beyond our paltry powers of detection, I respect Desists as much as I do atheists. So respectfully, HoC, try to cut her a little slack, eh?
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
November 3, 2015 at 7:27 pm
(November 3, 2015 at 2:55 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: how is saying that jesus was just a man and was not God in any way and challenging the concept of the trinity and questioning the value and accuracy of almost the entire NT not having a viewpoint outside christian theology ? thats not even within controvercial christian theology ive tried posting these things on a christian website under controvercial theology and it was immediately removed most of my comments have been focused on christians and the bible i think just because im more familiar with christianity than i am with islam or judaism or some other religion but i challenged a muslim mystic knight about value of the hadiths where they came from and how corrupted they were . i think its just as important to make people aware of the corrupt history of all religions .
Rock the fuck on, Jenny. 
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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November 3, 2015 at 7:28 pm
Are there some sort of special glasses I have to wear to make the NT accounts line up and make sense?
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RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
November 3, 2015 at 7:37 pm
(November 3, 2015 at 7:28 pm)robvalue Wrote: Are there some sort of special glasses I have to wear to make the NT accounts line up and make sense?
There y'go:
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A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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November 3, 2015 at 7:52 pm
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(November 3, 2015 at 5:06 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: (November 3, 2015 at 4:41 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: nooo
If I were to write about Vulcans and Klingons and a coalition of planets called the Federation, a reader would correctly label such as being "in the Star Trek universe." You write about God and Jesus and work from New Testament theology, how is that not the same kind of thing?
well if the goal is to try and get christians to question the contents of the bible or notice contradictions in the bible and begin questioning christianity you have to discuss whats in the bible so they can realize its contradictory cant just tell christians " that old book is wrong it doesnt make any sense " they wont really believe you theyll only disbelieve if they start to see the flaws for themselves so you have to get into the scriptures but thats true im still "in the God universe" , but their belief in God may be just because of the religion they believe in God because theyve been taught to believe in God and its part of religion so in that case they are just as likely to become atheist after giving up religion if they do .
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain
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November 3, 2015 at 7:55 pm
HoC - I don't know what has you so crabby, lately, but don't worry, bud...
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A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
November 3, 2015 at 8:07 pm
(November 3, 2015 at 7:28 pm)robvalue Wrote: Are there some sort of special glasses I have to wear to make the NT accounts line up and make sense? wear what this christian kitty wears
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Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also - Mark Twain
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